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		<title>How Users Self-Categorize on Turntable.fm</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:41:26 -0400</pubDate>
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			<dc:creator>Nitasha Tiku</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_17882" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-full wp-image-17882" title="ttfm" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ttfm.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="277" /><p class="wp-caption-text">No, not that kind of bear. </p></div></p>
<p>Now that <a href="http://turntable.fm">Turntable.fm</a> courts celebrities as investors, it's fair game for the likes of <em>The Hollywood Reporter, </em>which had an interesting <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/turntablefms-licensing-future-were-trying-239983?">interview with co-founder Seth Goldstein</a> over the weekend. In it, Mr. Goldstein discusses monetization (with engaged users it'll come naturally) and how DCMA-compliant listening makes for a passive experience ("it's primarily read-only").</p>
<p>As an early investor in the taxonomic trailblazers behind <a href="http://delicious.com">Delicious</a>, Mr. Goldstein also had some telling observations about how TTFM users have scrapped traditional genres for a different approach to categorization.<!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p>We also noticed that the conventional notion of [genres] is a relic of a  bygone day. The most interesting rooms on Turntable.fm is the mashup  room, where the only theme that ties people together is the fact that  people have to mash up two songs. There's things like ocean rooms, where  you can play anything you want so long that it has something to do with  an ocean. There was a Hurricane Irene room where one guy played  "Hurricane" by Bob Dylan, and another girl played "Here Comes The Rain  Again." One of my favorites is there's an "orange bear indie room" where  the only caveat is that you have to wear the avatar of the orange bear.  It's interesting to see how people categorize things themselves and  create communities around their own categorization schemes. I was one of  the original investors in a company called Del.i.cious, and the whole  point was that peole would tag things however they wanted to. Whereas  Yahoo would call it "sports" website, the user would tag it a baseball  website or a Red Sox website. So I think we're seeing how powerful it is  when users are given the opportunity to organize their own music.</p></blockquote>
<p>We hope <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/12/this-is-what-happens-to-delicious-when-its-not-owned-by-yahoo/">new Delicious owners</a>, YouTube's Steve Chen and Chad Hurley, are taking note. But as the failure for #occupywallst (or #occupywallstreet or #ows) to crack Twitter's trending topics has shown, too many tags <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/26/twitter-says-its-not-censoring-occupy-wall-street-people-really-are-talking-more-doritos/">isn't always a good thin</a>g.</p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_17882" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-full wp-image-17882" title="ttfm" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ttfm.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="277" /><p class="wp-caption-text">No, not that kind of bear. </p></div></p>
<p>Now that <a href="http://turntable.fm">Turntable.fm</a> courts celebrities as investors, it's fair game for the likes of <em>The Hollywood Reporter, </em>which had an interesting <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/turntablefms-licensing-future-were-trying-239983?">interview with co-founder Seth Goldstein</a> over the weekend. In it, Mr. Goldstein discusses monetization (with engaged users it'll come naturally) and how DCMA-compliant listening makes for a passive experience ("it's primarily read-only").</p>
<p>As an early investor in the taxonomic trailblazers behind <a href="http://delicious.com">Delicious</a>, Mr. Goldstein also had some telling observations about how TTFM users have scrapped traditional genres for a different approach to categorization.<!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p>We also noticed that the conventional notion of [genres] is a relic of a  bygone day. The most interesting rooms on Turntable.fm is the mashup  room, where the only theme that ties people together is the fact that  people have to mash up two songs. There's things like ocean rooms, where  you can play anything you want so long that it has something to do with  an ocean. There was a Hurricane Irene room where one guy played  "Hurricane" by Bob Dylan, and another girl played "Here Comes The Rain  Again." One of my favorites is there's an "orange bear indie room" where  the only caveat is that you have to wear the avatar of the orange bear.  It's interesting to see how people categorize things themselves and  create communities around their own categorization schemes. I was one of  the original investors in a company called Del.i.cious, and the whole  point was that peole would tag things however they wanted to. Whereas  Yahoo would call it "sports" website, the user would tag it a baseball  website or a Red Sox website. So I think we're seeing how powerful it is  when users are given the opportunity to organize their own music.</p></blockquote>
<p>We hope <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/12/this-is-what-happens-to-delicious-when-its-not-owned-by-yahoo/">new Delicious owners</a>, YouTube's Steve Chen and Chad Hurley, are taking note. But as the failure for #occupywallst (or #occupywallstreet or #ows) to crack Twitter's trending topics has shown, too many tags <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/26/twitter-says-its-not-censoring-occupy-wall-street-people-really-are-talking-more-doritos/">isn't always a good thin</a>g.</p>
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		<title>This Is What Happens to Delicious When It&#8217;s Not Owned By Yahoo</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:13:00 -0400</pubDate>
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			<dc:creator>Nitasha Tiku</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_16846" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-16846" title="delicious" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/delicious.png?w=300&h=300" alt="" width="300" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">"Gphone" hahaha.</p></div></p>
<p>Just in time for a post-mortem on Carol Bartz's tenure as CEO of Yahoo comes <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/technology/youtube-founders-aim-to-revamp-delicious.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=all">an interview</a> with YouTube founders Steve Chen and Chad Hurley in <em>The New York Times</em> about their plans to revamp Delicious. Even before her <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/08/carol-bartz-has-a-fing-awesome-vocabulary/">abrupt cellphone ouster</a> by a bunch of "doofuses"--her words, not ours--Ms. Bartz was criticized for her <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/an-open-letter-to-carol-bartz-2010-12">"failure to innovat</a><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/an-open-letter-to-carol-bartz-2010-12">e</a>" or even capitalize on innovative acquisitions like Delicious and Flickr.</p>
<p>So what will Delicious look like under the leadership of Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley, who purchased the bookmarking service after Yahoo threatened to shutter it or sell? According to <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20110911/new-delicious-sounds-much-like-the-old-delicious-but-newer/">AllThingsD's Liz Gannes</a>, "The new Delicious sounds a lot like the old Delicious brought up-to-date," but that's sort of the point. The need for a service like Delicious, the forward-thinking bookmarking site that never quite caught on outside early adopter circles, is heightened by the torrent of information flowing from social sites like Twitter, Google+, Facebook, and more.</p>
<p><!--more--> "There are a lot of services trying to solve the information discovery problem, and no one has got it right yet," Mr. Chen tells the<em> Times</em>. His plan is take Delicious mainstream with a recommendation feature based on what you share and a homepage that sounds a little like Techmeme to us, where users can browse "stacks" of images, videos, and links around a particular recent event</p>
<p>But it doesn't necessarily have to be news-related. Delicious's new owners also want to help you capitalize on the Googling of those who came before you, as Mr. Chen told the <em>Times</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“You’re Googling around and have eight to 10 browser tabs of results,  links to forums and message boards, all related to your search,” he  said. The new Delicious, he said, provides “a very easy way to save  those links in a collection that someone else can browse.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Now if only someone would offer to buy Flickr. Betabeat shares the same position as Matthew Stinson, <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/stinson/status/111974227032293376">who recently tweeted</a>, "Dear Yahoo!, before you implode, please sell Flickr to a responsible buyer. Kthxbye."</p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_16846" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-16846" title="delicious" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/delicious.png?w=300&h=300" alt="" width="300" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">"Gphone" hahaha.</p></div></p>
<p>Just in time for a post-mortem on Carol Bartz's tenure as CEO of Yahoo comes <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/technology/youtube-founders-aim-to-revamp-delicious.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=all">an interview</a> with YouTube founders Steve Chen and Chad Hurley in <em>The New York Times</em> about their plans to revamp Delicious. Even before her <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/08/carol-bartz-has-a-fing-awesome-vocabulary/">abrupt cellphone ouster</a> by a bunch of "doofuses"--her words, not ours--Ms. Bartz was criticized for her <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/an-open-letter-to-carol-bartz-2010-12">"failure to innovat</a><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/an-open-letter-to-carol-bartz-2010-12">e</a>" or even capitalize on innovative acquisitions like Delicious and Flickr.</p>
<p>So what will Delicious look like under the leadership of Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley, who purchased the bookmarking service after Yahoo threatened to shutter it or sell? According to <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20110911/new-delicious-sounds-much-like-the-old-delicious-but-newer/">AllThingsD's Liz Gannes</a>, "The new Delicious sounds a lot like the old Delicious brought up-to-date," but that's sort of the point. The need for a service like Delicious, the forward-thinking bookmarking site that never quite caught on outside early adopter circles, is heightened by the torrent of information flowing from social sites like Twitter, Google+, Facebook, and more.</p>
<p><!--more--> "There are a lot of services trying to solve the information discovery problem, and no one has got it right yet," Mr. Chen tells the<em> Times</em>. His plan is take Delicious mainstream with a recommendation feature based on what you share and a homepage that sounds a little like Techmeme to us, where users can browse "stacks" of images, videos, and links around a particular recent event</p>
<p>But it doesn't necessarily have to be news-related. Delicious's new owners also want to help you capitalize on the Googling of those who came before you, as Mr. Chen told the <em>Times</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“You’re Googling around and have eight to 10 browser tabs of results,  links to forums and message boards, all related to your search,” he  said. The new Delicious, he said, provides “a very easy way to save  those links in a collection that someone else can browse.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Now if only someone would offer to buy Flickr. Betabeat shares the same position as Matthew Stinson, <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/stinson/status/111974227032293376">who recently tweeted</a>, "Dear Yahoo!, before you implode, please sell Flickr to a responsible buyer. Kthxbye."</p>
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