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		<title>Booting Up: Is Facebook Picking Up a New Mobile Messaging App?</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:27:00 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>“If you put yourself in the position to ask for something that is already legal, you’ll find you’ll never be able to roll out." Perpetual bull-in-a-china-shop Uber is having some issues with regulators. [<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/technology/app-maker-uber-hits-regulatory-snarl.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=0"><em>New York Times</em></a>]</p>
<p>After ballooning to 84 companies this summer, Y Combinator is cutting back to less than fifty fundees. [<a href="http://ycombinator.com/w13smaller.html">YC</a>]</p>
<p>Looks like Facebook is still hacking away at the problem of mobile: Now that Instagram has been fully assimilated, there's talk of the social networking buying the paid mobile messaging app Whatsapp. [<a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/02/whats-up-with-whatsapp-facebook-might-want-to-buy-it-thats-what/">TechCrunch</a>]</p>
<p>The battle for same-day shipping supremacy is commencing, and it ain't gonna be cheap. [<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887324712504578133602774225678-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwMjEwNDIyWj.html"><em>Wall Street Journal</em></a>]</p>
<p>Free your miiind, man: Cast off the finance lens, with its talk of "bubbles," and focus on the product lens. That means asking not whether a sector is overfunded, but something more like, "have the products in area X caught up to the best practices of the industry? Are they reaching their potential?" [<a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/12/02/the-product-lens/">Chris Dixon</a>]</p>
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<p>“If you put yourself in the position to ask for something that is already legal, you’ll find you’ll never be able to roll out." Perpetual bull-in-a-china-shop Uber is having some issues with regulators. [<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/technology/app-maker-uber-hits-regulatory-snarl.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=0"><em>New York Times</em></a>]</p>
<p>After ballooning to 84 companies this summer, Y Combinator is cutting back to less than fifty fundees. [<a href="http://ycombinator.com/w13smaller.html">YC</a>]</p>
<p>Looks like Facebook is still hacking away at the problem of mobile: Now that Instagram has been fully assimilated, there's talk of the social networking buying the paid mobile messaging app Whatsapp. [<a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/02/whats-up-with-whatsapp-facebook-might-want-to-buy-it-thats-what/">TechCrunch</a>]</p>
<p>The battle for same-day shipping supremacy is commencing, and it ain't gonna be cheap. [<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887324712504578133602774225678-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwMjEwNDIyWj.html"><em>Wall Street Journal</em></a>]</p>
<p>Free your miiind, man: Cast off the finance lens, with its talk of "bubbles," and focus on the product lens. That means asking not whether a sector is overfunded, but something more like, "have the products in area X caught up to the best practices of the industry? Are they reaching their potential?" [<a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/12/02/the-product-lens/">Chris Dixon</a>]</p>
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		<title>Q&amp;A with Chris Dixon on Joining Andreessen Horowitz: &#8216;I’m Going to be Very Aggressively Looking for Investments in New York&#8217;</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:15:01 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>Earlier today, serial entrepreneur and investor Chris Dixon <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/">made it official</a>. The cofounder of SiteAdvisor (acquired by McAfee) and Hunch (acquired by eBay), who invests both personally and through Founder Collective, will be decamping our fair city for sunnier shores to join Andreessen Horowitz as the Sand Hill Road powerhouse's seventh general partner. We spoke with Mr. Dixon by phone shortly after the announcement was made to find out what it means for the many ventures he's involved in here (like eBay's massive <a href="http://betabeat.com/2012/05/ebay-hunch-r-d-lab-flatiron-chris-dixon-sixth-avenue-05032012/">new Flatiron R&amp;D lab</a>, which is slated to house 200 developers and data scientists).</p>
<p>Don't hold your breath for an East Coast outpost, as cofounder Marc Andreessen <a href="http://pandodaily.com/2012/11/19/chris-dixon-is-not-only-joining-andreessen-horowitz-hes-leaving-new-york/">emphasized earlier</a>, his is a "single office firm." In fact, based on the tenor of our questions, Amy Grady, a representative from Andreessen Horowitz who was also on the call, wanted to assure us Mr. Dixon's hire was about more than just geography. "We didn’t hire Chris just because of New York. It’s a huge bonus, he’s obviously really tapped in, but if we find an entrepreneur with a great idea in Idaho, we’ll invest!"</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/slobotski/status/270670272774930432">Silicon Prairie</a>, start your pitch decks.</p>
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<p><strong>Is this a way for Andreessen Horowitz to keep a better eye on New York without opening up an office here?</strong><br />
<strong>Chris Dixon:</strong> I’m keeping my apartment in New York, I plan to be there a lot. I plan to make a lot of investments there. I think they saw it as a positive that I have been in New York and know a lot of people there. That said, I’m going to be based in California and I think it’s important with these things--VC firms need to work together as a team and, you know, that just often requires being around each other a lot. But yeah, I’m going to be very aggressively looking for investments in New York.</p>
<p><strong>What about your role at Founder Collective and the fate of Founder Collective in general?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: There’s two people who run Founder Collective, <a href="http://foundercollective.com/people">Eric Paley and Dave Frankel</a>. They’re the general partners. I’m not a general partner. What I’ll do is I’m going to continue to support any companies that I invested in through them. So if I can be helpful to those entrepreneurs I will be--the same for my personal angel investments. [In addition to Founder Collective, Mr. Dixon has personally invested in Skype, Gerson Lehrman Group, OMGPOP, BillShrink, Oddcast, Knewton, and many others.] But I’ll be doing all my future investing through Andreessen Horowitz.</p>
<p><strong>Will you still be an advisor at eBay or Hunch?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: It hasn’t been finalized yet, but I will have some kind of an advisory role at eBay and my cofounder [<a href="http://hunch.com/info/the-hunch-team/">Tom Pinckney</a>] from Hunch is going to be taking over the New York office. He’s been my cofounder for two companies now [including SiteAdvisor] so they’re in good hands.</p>
<p><strong>You mentioned Andreessen Horowitz’s so-called <a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2012/0521/feature-midas-list-ben-horowitz-marc-andreesen-silicon-valley-vc-capital-bad-boys_3.html">CAA model</a> of offering help in various domains like recruiting and research. Will your expertise be in bringing in deals?</strong><br />
<strong>Amy Grady</strong>: Just to be clear, he’s the check writer, he’ll be doing investing.<br />
<strong>CD</strong>: So the way it works is there are seven general partners and I’m one of them. Those are the people who go out and find new investments and then make the investment and join the board and do things they can do to help. Then there’s 55 other people who provide all sorts of support for the entrepreneur, once the investment’s made.</p>
<p><strong>Was it a difficult decision to leave New York? In a lot of ways you’re representative of the scene from its infancy. You started in Wall Street, transitioned into startups, and then to investing. Were you worried it would be a loss for the community?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: To the extent that I can try to get Andreessen Horowitz to be more active in New York, I think that’s a net win for the New York City tech scene. You could look at this glass half full or half empty, but that’s how I see it. I care a lot about the New York tech community, it’s in a great place and it’s growing quickly and I want to keep supporting it.</p>
<p><strong>I’m not sure if Marc Andreessen or Ben Horowitz or anyone there commented on how vocal you are on Twitter or in your blog posts in terms of critiquing trends that you see?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: They’ve encouraged me to continue to be vocal and blogging and tweeting and doing all that stuff--Tumblring, Foursquaring [laughs]. So, yeah I intend to do that. They’re totally supportive and they like it.<br />
<strong>AG</strong>: Yup, we welcome it, no censorship allowed. We welcome feedback. We love a fresh perspective so he actually fits in quite well with the culture.</p>
<p><strong>What are you most excited about in terms of moving out there? To be immersed in a place that has a different kind of expertise than New York’s consumer web?</strong><br />
I think it will be nice to have a different perspective, I think I’ll learn a lot. The people at this firm are really, really impressive and I’ll learn a lot from them. Over the last few years--seven years--that I’ve been angel investing, it’s always been sort of a hobby for me. So it’s just going to be fun to try it as a full time thing.</p>
<p><strong>I imagine part of the appeal is having so many resources behind you? In your blog post, you mentioned founders choosing the investor and Andreessen Horowitz excels at that.</strong><br />
Yeah, absolutely. I’ve always done the angel investing stuff totally by myself. It’s trying to do something on a larger stage with more resources, it’s pretty exciting.</p>
<p><strong>What will you miss the most about not being here?</strong><br />
Well, I’ll be there, okay? [laughs] I’ll be there a lot! I love New York and I’ll be there a lot. And I want to make a lot investments there. I’m hoping I won’t miss anything because I'll be there a lot.</p>
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<p>Earlier today, serial entrepreneur and investor Chris Dixon <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/">made it official</a>. The cofounder of SiteAdvisor (acquired by McAfee) and Hunch (acquired by eBay), who invests both personally and through Founder Collective, will be decamping our fair city for sunnier shores to join Andreessen Horowitz as the Sand Hill Road powerhouse's seventh general partner. We spoke with Mr. Dixon by phone shortly after the announcement was made to find out what it means for the many ventures he's involved in here (like eBay's massive <a href="http://betabeat.com/2012/05/ebay-hunch-r-d-lab-flatiron-chris-dixon-sixth-avenue-05032012/">new Flatiron R&amp;D lab</a>, which is slated to house 200 developers and data scientists).</p>
<p>Don't hold your breath for an East Coast outpost, as cofounder Marc Andreessen <a href="http://pandodaily.com/2012/11/19/chris-dixon-is-not-only-joining-andreessen-horowitz-hes-leaving-new-york/">emphasized earlier</a>, his is a "single office firm." In fact, based on the tenor of our questions, Amy Grady, a representative from Andreessen Horowitz who was also on the call, wanted to assure us Mr. Dixon's hire was about more than just geography. "We didn’t hire Chris just because of New York. It’s a huge bonus, he’s obviously really tapped in, but if we find an entrepreneur with a great idea in Idaho, we’ll invest!"</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/slobotski/status/270670272774930432">Silicon Prairie</a>, start your pitch decks.</p>
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<p><strong>Is this a way for Andreessen Horowitz to keep a better eye on New York without opening up an office here?</strong><br />
<strong>Chris Dixon:</strong> I’m keeping my apartment in New York, I plan to be there a lot. I plan to make a lot of investments there. I think they saw it as a positive that I have been in New York and know a lot of people there. That said, I’m going to be based in California and I think it’s important with these things--VC firms need to work together as a team and, you know, that just often requires being around each other a lot. But yeah, I’m going to be very aggressively looking for investments in New York.</p>
<p><strong>What about your role at Founder Collective and the fate of Founder Collective in general?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: There’s two people who run Founder Collective, <a href="http://foundercollective.com/people">Eric Paley and Dave Frankel</a>. They’re the general partners. I’m not a general partner. What I’ll do is I’m going to continue to support any companies that I invested in through them. So if I can be helpful to those entrepreneurs I will be--the same for my personal angel investments. [In addition to Founder Collective, Mr. Dixon has personally invested in Skype, Gerson Lehrman Group, OMGPOP, BillShrink, Oddcast, Knewton, and many others.] But I’ll be doing all my future investing through Andreessen Horowitz.</p>
<p><strong>Will you still be an advisor at eBay or Hunch?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: It hasn’t been finalized yet, but I will have some kind of an advisory role at eBay and my cofounder [<a href="http://hunch.com/info/the-hunch-team/">Tom Pinckney</a>] from Hunch is going to be taking over the New York office. He’s been my cofounder for two companies now [including SiteAdvisor] so they’re in good hands.</p>
<p><strong>You mentioned Andreessen Horowitz’s so-called <a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2012/0521/feature-midas-list-ben-horowitz-marc-andreesen-silicon-valley-vc-capital-bad-boys_3.html">CAA model</a> of offering help in various domains like recruiting and research. Will your expertise be in bringing in deals?</strong><br />
<strong>Amy Grady</strong>: Just to be clear, he’s the check writer, he’ll be doing investing.<br />
<strong>CD</strong>: So the way it works is there are seven general partners and I’m one of them. Those are the people who go out and find new investments and then make the investment and join the board and do things they can do to help. Then there’s 55 other people who provide all sorts of support for the entrepreneur, once the investment’s made.</p>
<p><strong>Was it a difficult decision to leave New York? In a lot of ways you’re representative of the scene from its infancy. You started in Wall Street, transitioned into startups, and then to investing. Were you worried it would be a loss for the community?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: To the extent that I can try to get Andreessen Horowitz to be more active in New York, I think that’s a net win for the New York City tech scene. You could look at this glass half full or half empty, but that’s how I see it. I care a lot about the New York tech community, it’s in a great place and it’s growing quickly and I want to keep supporting it.</p>
<p><strong>I’m not sure if Marc Andreessen or Ben Horowitz or anyone there commented on how vocal you are on Twitter or in your blog posts in terms of critiquing trends that you see?</strong><br />
<strong>CD</strong>: They’ve encouraged me to continue to be vocal and blogging and tweeting and doing all that stuff--Tumblring, Foursquaring [laughs]. So, yeah I intend to do that. They’re totally supportive and they like it.<br />
<strong>AG</strong>: Yup, we welcome it, no censorship allowed. We welcome feedback. We love a fresh perspective so he actually fits in quite well with the culture.</p>
<p><strong>What are you most excited about in terms of moving out there? To be immersed in a place that has a different kind of expertise than New York’s consumer web?</strong><br />
I think it will be nice to have a different perspective, I think I’ll learn a lot. The people at this firm are really, really impressive and I’ll learn a lot from them. Over the last few years--seven years--that I’ve been angel investing, it’s always been sort of a hobby for me. So it’s just going to be fun to try it as a full time thing.</p>
<p><strong>I imagine part of the appeal is having so many resources behind you? In your blog post, you mentioned founders choosing the investor and Andreessen Horowitz excels at that.</strong><br />
Yeah, absolutely. I’ve always done the angel investing stuff totally by myself. It’s trying to do something on a larger stage with more resources, it’s pretty exciting.</p>
<p><strong>What will you miss the most about not being here?</strong><br />
Well, I’ll be there, okay? [laughs] I’ll be there a lot! I love New York and I’ll be there a lot. And I want to make a lot investments there. I’m hoping I won’t miss anything because I'll be there a lot.</p>
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		<title>Chris Dixon Joins Andreessen Horowitz, Packs Up for the West Coast</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:28:36 -0400</pubDate>
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			<dc:creator>Kelly Faircloth</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_22312" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chris-dixon.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-22312" title="chris dixon" alt="" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chris-dixon.jpg?w=300" height="223" width="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Fare thee well, Mr. Dixon!</p></div></p>
<p>The news <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20121117/new-york-techie-chris-dixon-in-talks-to-be-next-partner-at-andreessen-horowitz/">broke</a> this weekend, but it's now official: New York tech mainstay Chis Dixon is joining Andreessen Horowitz as a general partner. And--in a loss for the local tech scene--he'll be picking up stakes for Menlo Park.</p>
<p>But they don't even have converted factory spaces for their coworking spaces!</p>
<p>Just this May, <a href="http://betabeat.com/2012/05/tristan-walker-leaves-foursquare-to-become-entrepreneur-in-residence-at-andreessen-horowitz-05022012/">the firm poached</a> Foursquare's Tristan Walker to be an entrepreneur in residence.*</p>
<p>Mr. Dixon confirmed the move <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/">on his blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Spending time there, I had the same feeling I have whenever I meet a great startup: “This is obviously the future, why didn’t someone do it before?”</p>
<p>So I’m super excited to say that I’m joining a16z as their seventh General Partner. I’ll specialize in consumer internet investments but will be open to anything ambitious that involves technology. I’ll be based in California, but plan to do a lot of investing in NYC.</p></blockquote>
<p>So it's goodbye for now, but not forever. That's not keeping his fellow NYC techies from giving him a bittersweet send-off, though:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Fantastic fit. We’ll miss you in NYC but I’m sure we’ll see you around :) Huge congrats! RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a>: a16z <a title="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/" href="http://t.co/5JYmPVW0">cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16…</a></p>
<p>— Alex Rainert (@arainert) <a href="https://twitter.com/arainert/status/270667339903668225">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Congrats @<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a> on the big move! You will always be a big apple to us. Back to work shoulder chipping NYC. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23LoveNY">#LoveNY</a> <a title="http://pandodaily.com/2012/11/19/chris-dixon-is-not-only-joining-andreessen-horowitz-hes-leaving-new-york/" href="http://t.co/bkmcMpZh">pandodaily.com/2012/11/19/chr…</a></p>
<p>— Yaron Samid (@YaronSamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/YaronSamid/status/270671904514379776">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Congrats Chris - big loss for NYC “@<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a>: a16z <a title="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/" href="http://t.co/EkkIEerF">cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16…</a>”</p>
<p>— John Maloney (@JohnMaloney) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMaloney/status/270665110861787137">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And he's already getting big ups from his new neighbors:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/sacca">sacca</a> @<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a> next step is getting him down to Manhattan Beach ;-)</p>
<p>— Peter Pham (@peterpham) <a href="https://twitter.com/peterpham/status/270667471294451713">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p><em>*An earlier version of this post incorrectly misstated that Mr. Walker had been based primarily in New York. Betabeat regrets the error. </em></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_22312" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chris-dixon.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-22312" title="chris dixon" alt="" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chris-dixon.jpg?w=300" height="223" width="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Fare thee well, Mr. Dixon!</p></div></p>
<p>The news <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20121117/new-york-techie-chris-dixon-in-talks-to-be-next-partner-at-andreessen-horowitz/">broke</a> this weekend, but it's now official: New York tech mainstay Chis Dixon is joining Andreessen Horowitz as a general partner. And--in a loss for the local tech scene--he'll be picking up stakes for Menlo Park.</p>
<p>But they don't even have converted factory spaces for their coworking spaces!</p>
<p>Just this May, <a href="http://betabeat.com/2012/05/tristan-walker-leaves-foursquare-to-become-entrepreneur-in-residence-at-andreessen-horowitz-05022012/">the firm poached</a> Foursquare's Tristan Walker to be an entrepreneur in residence.*</p>
<p>Mr. Dixon confirmed the move <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/">on his blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Spending time there, I had the same feeling I have whenever I meet a great startup: “This is obviously the future, why didn’t someone do it before?”</p>
<p>So I’m super excited to say that I’m joining a16z as their seventh General Partner. I’ll specialize in consumer internet investments but will be open to anything ambitious that involves technology. I’ll be based in California, but plan to do a lot of investing in NYC.</p></blockquote>
<p>So it's goodbye for now, but not forever. That's not keeping his fellow NYC techies from giving him a bittersweet send-off, though:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Fantastic fit. We’ll miss you in NYC but I’m sure we’ll see you around :) Huge congrats! RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a>: a16z <a title="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/" href="http://t.co/5JYmPVW0">cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16…</a></p>
<p>— Alex Rainert (@arainert) <a href="https://twitter.com/arainert/status/270667339903668225">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Congrats @<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a> on the big move! You will always be a big apple to us. Back to work shoulder chipping NYC. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23LoveNY">#LoveNY</a> <a title="http://pandodaily.com/2012/11/19/chris-dixon-is-not-only-joining-andreessen-horowitz-hes-leaving-new-york/" href="http://t.co/bkmcMpZh">pandodaily.com/2012/11/19/chr…</a></p>
<p>— Yaron Samid (@YaronSamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/YaronSamid/status/270671904514379776">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Congrats Chris - big loss for NYC “@<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a>: a16z <a title="http://cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16z/" href="http://t.co/EkkIEerF">cdixon.org/2012/11/19/a16…</a>”</p>
<p>— John Maloney (@JohnMaloney) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMaloney/status/270665110861787137">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And he's already getting big ups from his new neighbors:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/sacca">sacca</a> @<a href="https://twitter.com/cdixon">cdixon</a> next step is getting him down to Manhattan Beach ;-)</p>
<p>— Peter Pham (@peterpham) <a href="https://twitter.com/peterpham/status/270667471294451713">November 19, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p><em>*An earlier version of this post incorrectly misstated that Mr. Walker had been based primarily in New York. Betabeat regrets the error. </em></p>
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		<title>Are Party Rounds Turning the Tech Business Into a Lamer Studio 54?</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:30:59 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>Let's face it: There's a reason clubs will pay reality stars just to come hang out. People are more intrigued by a famous face. Silicon Valley might think itself <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/technology/silicon-valley-wary-of-reality-series.html">above</a> crass fame-whoring, but that doesn't mean tech folk are immune to the siren song of social proof. Witness, for example, the rise of the so-called "party round."</p>
<p>Today TechCrunch <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/27/party-rounds-excellent/">takes on </a>the topic of these early-stage "family-style" rounds, where angel investors and VC firms pony up a bit of cash (often as a kind of option for later investments), but no one quite leads the pack. The process is compared to--what else?--high school:<!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p>Second tier VCs want to be in the same rounds as first tier VCs and third tier VCs want to get in on the deals offered to 2nd tier VCs. It’s all very high school if you think about it on any sort of anthropological level.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only in the Valley: "I don't know if I feel like going out. Who's coming?" "Marc Andreessen." "Well, why didn't you <em>say so</em>?"</p>
<p>Hm, that triggers more recent memories, namely: standing in long lines outside clubs that, once you're finally admitted, aren't actually all that great. Because the problem with party rounds is that everyone has a stake but no one has a big enough stake to give much of a damn. There's therefore little incentive for investors to step up when inexperienced founders face challenges.</p>
<p>This<a href="http://nonchalantrepreneur.com/post/29850301087/party-rounds"> recent post</a> from Chris Dixon argues they're also bad for investors:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s hard to disentangle cause and effect here, but most likely there are a few causes: 1) higher-than-market valuations due to no lead investor there to negotiate and lower price sensitivity of investors “buying options” on the next round 2) small checks reflect lack of investor confidence which in turn reflect something else risky about the startups’ fundamentals 3) worse exits in the downside scenarios because investors don’t help out.</p></blockquote>
<p>The thing about raging parties is that, all too often, one wakes up the following morning with a raging hangover.</p>
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<p>Let's face it: There's a reason clubs will pay reality stars just to come hang out. People are more intrigued by a famous face. Silicon Valley might think itself <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/technology/silicon-valley-wary-of-reality-series.html">above</a> crass fame-whoring, but that doesn't mean tech folk are immune to the siren song of social proof. Witness, for example, the rise of the so-called "party round."</p>
<p>Today TechCrunch <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/27/party-rounds-excellent/">takes on </a>the topic of these early-stage "family-style" rounds, where angel investors and VC firms pony up a bit of cash (often as a kind of option for later investments), but no one quite leads the pack. The process is compared to--what else?--high school:<!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p>Second tier VCs want to be in the same rounds as first tier VCs and third tier VCs want to get in on the deals offered to 2nd tier VCs. It’s all very high school if you think about it on any sort of anthropological level.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only in the Valley: "I don't know if I feel like going out. Who's coming?" "Marc Andreessen." "Well, why didn't you <em>say so</em>?"</p>
<p>Hm, that triggers more recent memories, namely: standing in long lines outside clubs that, once you're finally admitted, aren't actually all that great. Because the problem with party rounds is that everyone has a stake but no one has a big enough stake to give much of a damn. There's therefore little incentive for investors to step up when inexperienced founders face challenges.</p>
<p>This<a href="http://nonchalantrepreneur.com/post/29850301087/party-rounds"> recent post</a> from Chris Dixon argues they're also bad for investors:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s hard to disentangle cause and effect here, but most likely there are a few causes: 1) higher-than-market valuations due to no lead investor there to negotiate and lower price sensitivity of investors “buying options” on the next round 2) small checks reflect lack of investor confidence which in turn reflect something else risky about the startups’ fundamentals 3) worse exits in the downside scenarios because investors don’t help out.</p></blockquote>
<p>The thing about raging parties is that, all too often, one wakes up the following morning with a raging hangover.</p>
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		<title>Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Why We’re Definitely in a Bubble</title>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:30:09 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>Bubbles bubbles bubbles! The talk continues. Last week the anti-bubble camp was in the ascendency. First we had <a href="http://beta.branch.com/are-we-currently-in-a-tech-bubble">a massive bubble debate</a> on <a href="http://branch.com/">Branch.com</a> (disclosure: I am an investor in Branch), featuring some of the best minds on the internet: Anil Dash, Dave McClure, Paul Kedrosky, Chris Sacca, Michael Arrington, MG Seigler and more. The rough consensus? No bubble.</p>
<p>In wrapping up the Branch debate, Seigler pointed to First Round Capital’s Josh Kopelman, and his <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2007/10/this-year-i-mea.html">hilarious bubble post</a> - from 2007, no less - mocking those who continuously cry bubble, and failing to grasp the transformational power of the internet. A fair point.</p>
<p>Next we had Business Insider Henry Blodget’s presentation <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-1">State of Startups 2012 presentation</a>, subtitled “No, it’s not a bubble.” Many charts, graphs and points followed laying out why the bubble doesn’t exist.</p>
<p>I must confess, however, I’m in the pro-bubble camp, and while reading the Branch debate, I found myself jumping up and down with counter arguments on why we actually are in a bubble. And, since I’ve taken a two week vacation from this column, I figured I’d come back with a vengeance, and cogently lay out all the arguments and counter arguments.<!--more--></p>
<p>I’ll start off by promising the anti-bubble posse that I will barely mention Instagram at all, and when I do, it will be only in a tangental manner. I promise.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-large;">What is a bubble?</span></p>
<p>The definition of a bubble is an important part of this debate. Chris Dixon expresses justified annoyance at this when he <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-752">says</a> “A bubble is a financial event. I don't understand people who try to discuss it without bringing financial evidence into the picture.” This is a valid point.</p>
<p>Economists generally agree that three things must be present for a bubble to exist: (1) high trading volumes, (2) prices that are different from their “intrinsic values,” and (3) that said difference between prices and intrinsic value must be considerable.</p>
<p>The Wall Street Journal <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121089412378097011.html">puts it thusly</a>: “Bubbles emerge at times when investors profoundly disagree about the significance of a big economic development, such as the birth of the Internet.”</p>
<p>Built into that definition are our key three items: disagreement would indicate considerable variance in price, and a big economic development implies high trading volumes. "The internet" or "the railroads" are big economic events. And because they are big events, there will be a lot of trading around them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-large;">What a bubble is not</span></p>
<p>Just as important is what a bubble is not. A bubble doesn’t have to be in the stock market. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania">Tulip Mania</a>, the first bubble, had nothing to do with stocks. Subsequent examples abound. Many of the anti-bubble defenders base their arguments on metrics around the publicly-traded tech companies, talking about their P/E ratios for example. The P/E ratios of publicly-traded internet companies, such as LinkedIn, are within normal parameters right now. This, however, has nothing to do with "ALL" Internet companies, only the ones that are publicly-traded. No one realistically believes the bubble is in public companies, and the definition of a bubble does not require the bubble to be in publicly-traded companies.  Any arguments against a bubble that solely rely on P/E ratios of public companies aren't really relevant and indeed help obscure the true picture.</p>
<p>Additionally, a bubble is not tied to the economy as a whole. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction">Joseph Schumpeter </a>had a notorious aversion to looking at large economic trends when trying to discern what was really going on. He said “It is, therefore, misleading to reason on aggregative equilibrium as if it displayed the factors which initiate change and as if disturbance in the economic system as a whole could arise only from those aggregates.” (Look to p 36 <a href="http://docenti.lett.unisi.it/files/115/17/2/1/BusinessCycles_Fels.pdf">here</a>).</p>
<p>Economist <a href="http://www.carlotaperez.org/CVgs.htm">Carlota Perez</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=hmesHdCcXn4">something of a hero</a> of Union Square Venture’s Fred Wilson, takes the point further, stating that bubbles have nothing to do with the economy as a whole. “It is not even likely that the turbulent process by which new paradigms are assimilated should lead to regular up an down trends in the economy as a whole.” (Page 36, of her <a href="http://www.carlotaperez.org/Articulos/TRFC-TOCeng.htm">seminal work</a> Technical Revolutions and Financial Capital).</p>
<p>These are both important points, as many of the arguments against a bubble point to metrics from the stock market as evidence for the lack of bubble. Fact is, economists don’t care whether or not a bubble is in the stock market or trends with or against the larger economy.</p>
<p>It should also be said that bubbles have nothing to do with many of the things we hear about - anecdotal evidence of “founder friendly” terms, bankers going into tech, a bajillion ripoff tech companies managing to get funding, lavish parties, kid founders, etc.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><!--nextpage-->Why we’re in a bubble</span></p>
<p>So, then, it shouldn’t be that hard to see if we’re in a bubble, right? If our three criteria our met, we’re in one. Bob’s your uncle.</p>
<p>First, I’d posit that this is not a “dot com” bubble. I believe the bubble we’re in is a social/mobile bubble. I say this for a number of reasons: social/mobile companies have higher valuations than many of the other tech companies out there, and they garner considerably more press. It’s easy for us to think of the entire dot com sector, thanks to the previous dot com bubble, but in fact we have several sub-markets now. When Chris Dixon <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-731">says</a> “Instagram aside, there is SUBSTANTIAL revenue and even profits being generated by a much larger # of companies than ever before,” he is generally mixing all tech companies together. There are indeed several tech companies producing substantial revenue. But what percentage of social/mobile companies are?</p>
<p>Let’s look at those three pillars of the definition:</p>
<p><strong>Trade is at high volumes</strong><br />
Social mobile companies are proliferating. Many are getting invested in. TONS of them. We all know this. We see new deals every day on Techcrunch, VentureBeat, Betabeat, etc. Perusing the Branch discussion, everyone agrees there’s some “froth” at the early stages for “certain” types of companies (i.e., social/mobile).</p>
<p>But all this is, of course, subjective. So let’s look at Blodget’s empirical data. Despite some blurring at the beginning, in his Anti-Bubble presentation, Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-7">points out</a> VC investment in tech is increasing, now, even in a down economy.</p>
<p><strong>Prices are “considerably at variance to intrinsic values.”</strong><br />
So let’s turn our attention to pricing. There are two parts of this equation: (1) considerably at variance and (2) intrinsic values. Let’s go one by one.</p>
<p>(1) The very existence of a plethora of heated discussions on bubbles should be enough evidence that investors profoundly disagree. The tepid IPO market vs. the number of companies aiming to IPO, along with their substantial number of backers wishing for the same thing, should indicate two parties who substantially disagree on value, considerably.</p>
<p>(2) “Intrinsic value,” of course, is a bit more complicated. This has always been the sticking point for any educated bubble conversation. The tech sector has produced myriad companies that operated for years without revenue that eventually went blockbuster: Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc. Revenue, then, is only part of the equation. The trick is to figure out what else matters.</p>
<p>Intrinsic Value is defined by economists as the current and projected future value, marked to the present, of an asset. It is the “actual” value vs. the “market” value (and, thus, Facebook’s $1B purchase of Instagram is moot. That is a market value). This also means that if revenues are currently at zero, but future revenues are projected to be high, the current valuation is positive. So, then, despite zero present revenues, a company can have intrinsic value.</p>
<p>Opinions vary, however, on how to calculate this intrinsic value, since it relies solely on unknown future revenue. Is it the next instagram? Or a failure? It could be either. Mark Andreessen <a href="http://bloom.bg/wpZ0NY#ooid=ttbDJxMzoSHPwntDW2lPQjWn5gt2yiTg">suggests</a> factoring in the likelihood of the big win, thus adding a percentage multiplier into your calculations.</p>
<p>So let’s do that.</p>
<p>It is my position that many, if not all, of these companies are projected to earn their revenue from advertising. There are exceptions, like Zynga, but by and large, most of these companies are expected to make their money off of advertising. I have <a href="http://rickwebb.tumblr.com/post/4291795712/on-the-bubble">written extensively in the past</a> about the finite size of the global ad market, and how we can only support 9 more google-sized companies.</p>
<p>There are <a href="http://www.nvca.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=344&amp;Itemid=103">about</a> 3,500 startups funded every year. Delve into the stats at that link and you’ll see 1,000 of them are new startups in internet or media. The online ad market in the US is about $40B. The math there is $40 million potential for each new startup (you could complicate this by saying 5,000 startups over, say, five years, and $200 billion over the same span, but the math is the same.) And this ignores the previous contenders. What, really, is the statistical chance that any new startup will capture a substantial portion of that market? Given the massive barriers to entry via the need for building a substantial user base, and the large, incumbent players who already capture that ad revenue (Google is not going to go away), statistically, the answer has to be that It is approaching zero.</p>
<p>That should be the end of the argument from a mathematical perspective. The “rational” future “actual” value is the potential future value multiplied by its likelihood. I contend that the potential is far lower than stated, and the likelihood is far lower than stated as well. It’s not a $40 billion times 10%, it’s $40 million times .01%.</p>
<p>So there we have it. Mathematically, prices are out of whack with intrinsic values. And there is considerable disagreement, i.e. “considerable variance.”</p>
<p>There really shouldn’t be any thing else to the argument. However, I concede that all of this, while based in data, statistics and fact, is still based on my opinions of likelihood. There is still some guesswork.</p>
<p>Let’s look at the counter arguments.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><!--nextpage-->The Arguments against it being a bubble:</span></p>
<p>There are a bunch. Let’s go through them one by one:</p>
<p><strong>“This time it’s different”</strong><br />
There is a strange paradox going on with some observers contending that no one’s saying that this time things are different, while actually, this time, people are saying it’s different. Henry Blodget just gave us the best example of this. “Is everyone justifying today’s prices by saying ‘this time it’s different?’” he <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-31">asks</a>? “No.” And yet, right after saying that no one was saying ‘it’s different this time,” 15 slides later, Blodget is <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-47">outlining</a> why it’s different this time. It’s kind of awesome.</p>
<p>Paradox aside, Blodget’s arguments for why it’s different are the same as many others in the anti bubble camp: that way more people use the internet than during the dotcom boom, so the valuations are more realistic. That we are undergoing a social revolution, and that we are undergoing a mobile revolution. All of these are true. All of these are irrelevant to the existence of a bubble. They are arguments on one side of the “considerable variance” debate. Personally, I hope they are true. But we are sticking to the actual definition of a bubble here, and the fact that it’s different is moot. Indeed, both Schumpeter’s creative destruction and Peres’s technical revolutions, imply that many bubbles do result in something different, in a leap forward. And yet, the bubbles still happen, as do their commensurate crashes.</p>
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"Bubbles can be good.”</strong><br />
This is true. Bubbles can be good. They are still bubbles. The benefit of bubbles are moot to whether or not a bubble is happening. “Are we asking if consumer web/app technology's impact and influence on mainstream culture and ordinary people will decrease? I can't imagine so,” Anil Dash <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-728">commented</a> on Branch. It is an important point. Bubbles do destroy value, but good things can come out of them. This is probably more about the internal morality debates that many of us in tech have - are we helping the economy or hurting it? We may well be helping it, but it will still be a bubble, and someone else will bear the cost.</p>
<p>Nowhere in the definition of a bubble does social good enter into the equation. Carlota Peres predicates her whole seminal book on the fact that bubbles drive all major innovations. They do, however, come with costs, which she outlines in gory, devastating detail.</p>
<p><strong>"Prices are in line with value"</strong><br />
The Public Markets are Fine, For now. Investor Chris Sacca colorfully <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-789%20">sums it up</a>: “As you guys know, I am also a very active late stage investor. Business on that end is entirely different than in the 90s when I first got to the Valley. Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc are all real businesses with CAGRs that would make a hockey stick blush and reach for the Viagra.”</p>
<p>Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-12">points out</a> that the IPO market is open, but it is far from robust. This is true. The bubble is not in public markets.</p>
<p>Yet many bubble deniers continue to use public market data to defend the private markets. Investor Chris Dixon does so in the Branch debate by <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-752">saying</a>, “In particular, in every bubble in the past, P/E ratios of securities bought and sold by non-professional investors were way higher than the historical average. During the dot-com bubble and housing bubble, P/E's were over 40…. Current P/Es in tech are a reasonable 17 (historical average for S&amp;P is 15).” Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-39">uses</a> Apple as an example, showing that it’s P/E ratio is a reasonable 15.</p>
<p>Mark Andreessen <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/marc-andreessen-on-the-tech-bubble-2012-5">echoed these sentiments</a> last week when he said “If we're in a bubble, it's the weirdest bubble I've ever seen where everyone hates everything. If you check tech stocks that went public recently, it's nose down to the ground. We're now 15 years of flat stock market returns. That's a weird bubble.”</p>
<p>And yet public markets are irrelevant unless we’re arguing a narrow bubble of public market tech stocks only, which no one is arguing. It’s a red herring.</p>
<p>Public markets are tight right now partially due to tech stocks doubt, but the main reason for the lack of IPO access is due to larger issues with the recession we are currently in, and slowly working our way out of. This will change.</p>
<p>Previously, I had <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/03/27/jobs-act-jitters/">commented</a> on how as pressure for tech companies to IPO increases , the public market tightness will come under attack. This absolutely came to fruition with the JOBS act, and Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-11">as much as gives up the game</a> in his recent presentation in a footnote that says ”The JOBS act could begin to change this. Fingers crossed…”</p>
<p>So let’s move on, then, to where most bubble-believers argue that the bubble is forming, in the private markets. As we’ve said, the hardest part of bubble identification is figuring out whether the prices have decoupled rationally or not. Whether “intrinsic values” are still being considered. Many bubble deniers concede this, such as Chris Dixon, who said of early stage private companies "those have never been valued by VCs on purely financial metrics." This is, of course, true, but could be interpreted to tacitly admit that pricing is not at “intrinsic value.” Of course, things still need to be “considerably at variance” and “high volume” to be a bubble, but this does effectively concede that things are not at intrinsic value.</p>
<p>There exists a large body of work explaining the apparently irrational yet defensibly logical pricing of tech startups - quality of the founder, mobile trends, social trends, competitive funding environment. If you look at something like <a href="http://www.quora.com/Startup-Private-Valuations/Which-valuation-methods-can-be-used-to-value-a-startup">this Quora thread</a>, you’ll see a lot of talk about normal valuations, with some admissions that they are mainly guesswork. Indeed, it’s comical how many different Quora threads ask the same question in different ways. Poke around. Also often mentioned are whether the founder is still at their job, the quality of the founder, and whether they have a prototype. It’s worth noting that none of these three factors are related to the economic definition of “intrinsic value.” I’m not saying they don’t matter - they’re factors I base my own investment decisions upon - and god knows what ELSE we’re supposed to use. But nonetheless, they are irrelevant to economic theories of bubbles.</p>
<p>Chris Dixon <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/04/29/is-it-a-tech-bubble/">recently conceded</a> that “certain stages of venture valuations do seem over-valued, in particular seed-stage valuations and (less obviously) later stage ‘momentum valuations.’” He explains this by talking about the proliferation of seed stage investors who are investing in what they believe in (I would be one of those) and in the momentum stage by non-inherent-value decisions such as “VC’s who want to be associated with marquee startup names, the desire to catch the next Facebook before it gets too big, and the desire of mega-sized VC funds to “put more money to work.” He counters this by saying that Series A seems under-valued. Dixon rightfully points out that it’s hard to have a public debate about this due to confidentiality. He’s right. So basically Chris is saying there's froth in early stage due to lots of angels (like me) and froth at the late stage because of "momentum" valuations (ie tumblr and foursquare, groupon etc). In the middle, around Series A, he thinks that there's not frothy valuations. He may be right. So can it be a bubble if there's a sober moment in the process from early stage, to series A, to "momentum" valuations? It's an interesting point of view. I do wonder, though, If there's froth before and after sober Series A, however, does it really matter? And for what it's worth, personally, I have seen plenty of froth in Series A as well.</p>
<p>One thing I will cave on. Dixon makes the excellent, eye-opening point that “This doesn’t mean the investors think they will invest and then get some greater fool to invest in the company again. For instance, at the seed stage, intelligent investors are quite aware that they are buying the dream but will need to have numbers to raise a Series A.” I admit I hadn’t thought of that in exactly that way before. Yet if our bubble is in Social Mobile, a world still primarily of light revenue, I wonder what metrics those valuations are based on? Revenue is, after all, the only metric relevant to "intrinsic values." But most Series A rounds I've seen are still very light on revenue. The metrics used to establish value are based on users, who will, hopefully, one day be turned into revenue. Most of those valuations are, in my experience, fairly optimistic about per-user future revenue.</p>
<p>Andreessen’s method of market potential multiplied by likelihood does a good job at addressing these concerns. Though as we’ve seen, interpretations of the numbers can vary widely.  And none of those, however, work in situations like YC’s new “<a href="http://ycombinator.com/noidea.html">Apply without an idea</a>” program, or the funding of some founders without any idea (i.e. <a href="http://gawker.com/5868915/score-15-million-for-not-having-a-good-tech-idea">Jakob Lodwick</a>)</p>
<p>I’ll admit that we can’t get anything off the ground if we fund everything at zero or near zero valuations. We have to put a stake in the ground somewhere. But in terms of a strict definition of a bubble, it’s hard to deny that intrinsic value, from an economist’s point of view, hasn’t been thrown out the window.</p>
<p>In a recent controversial (in tech circles) NY Times <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/disruptions-with-no-revenue-an-illusion-of-value/">piece by Nick Bilton</a>, Paul Kedrosky,  an investor and editor for Bloomberg, explained “It serves the interest of the investors who can come up with whatever valuation they want when there are no revenues. Once there is no revenue, there is no science, and it all just becomes finger in the wind valuations.”</p>
<p>Chris Dixon partially affirmed this last week by <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/04/29/is-it-a-tech-bubble/">saying</a> “The argument that sometimes startups get better valuations without revenue is somewhat true.’</p>
<p>In the end, it’s anyone’s guess. Investor Chris Sacca sums up the conundrum on the Branch debate by <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-788">saying</a> “It's easy to moan about valuation creep on the seed stage deals, and I cringe at some of the entitled attitude I see around these days. However, for all the whining, I will concede that two of my best performing deals ever, Twitter and Instagram, were done at roughly $25mm and $30mm pre respectively. So, what the fuck do I know?”</p>
<p>It’s a mess. It’s a constant debate. But if we can’t know prices are too high, we certainly can’t know that they’re reasonable, and, thus, the defense crumbles.</p>
<p><strong>The “greater fool” inversion.</strong><br />
Bilton, who was on the Branch thread, <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-763">parries</a> for the bubble believers: “One of the signs of a coming bubble could be seen with the high valuation of start-ups. Viddy at $370 million; Foursquare at $700 million; Pinterest at $1+ Billion. All of these companies, and many others, have very little, if any, revenue. When start-ups reach such high valuations, they are left with only a handful of suitors that can acquire them. If there is no buyer, these companies have to go public, which is where the price-earnings ratios become a problem and confidence can wane.”</p>
<p>To which Michael Arrington <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-787">shot back</a> “A lack of buyers is an excellent indicator of a not-bubble. The greater fool theory assumes there's always someone dumb enough to pay more.” Apparently because the number of buyers is limited, the greater fool theory is not in play.</p>
<p>I love this. The flaw here is that the whole point of the greater fool theory is that this is true until it’s not. One day the music stops.</p>
<p>Barring that, Bilton is correct: pressure is coming to push these companies public, before their ready (see below), thus, the “greater fool” argument is still in effect.</p>
<p>As an aside, Economists do not currently find the “greater fool” theory to be true, despite such believes being “<a href="http://www.usc.edu/schools/business/FBE/seminars/papers/MOR_9-14-07_Levine.pdf">prevelant among practitioners</a>”</p>
<p><strong>“No one is getting hurt.”</strong><br />
The argument here is that this is just a bunch of rich people gambling, it’s only in the private markets, and no one else is getting hurt. Your mom and dad aren’t going to get hurt.</p>
<p>This is so not true. Public pension funds have always been a massive source of venture funding. Says the Times recently, for example, “By September 2011, retirement systems with more than $1 billion in assets had increased their stakes in real estate, private equity and hedge funds to 19 percent, from 10.7 percent in 2007, according to the Wilshire Trust Universe Comparison Service.” Even in staid Europe, Pensions makes over 10% of the VC funding, The Economist <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21552936">points out.</a></p>
<p>Your mom and dad can still get hurt. This is not just rich people’s money. Not even close. It may ease our conscience to think that, but it is a lie.</p>
<p><strong>Low costs in early stage startups</strong><br />
Paul Kedrosky <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-772%0A">made a point</a> in the Branch debate I had not thought of before in terms of bubbles, and it’s an interesting one. “There does seem to be more activity at the early-stage than is justified by outcomes, &amp; it is frequently happening at higher valuations than would seem prudent. Having said that, the costs are low, so, in the same way the Cambrian explosion led to most modern forms of life, cheap speciation (with high die-offs) is an unsurprising ecosystem response to incident energy..”</p>
<p>Basically, yes, values are high relative to intrinsic values, but startups are so cheap now that it doesn’t really matter if a bunch of them die off. Good will be done.</p>
<p>To me, this seems to be a combination of the “bubbles can be good” argument and the “no one is getting hurt” argument. I’ve tackled each individually, and should point out that  both are specifically not relevant to the definition of the bubble, and in aggregate, damage may still be done if capital is being diverted from other, more useful sources. Recall the recent Tweet heard round the world by ex-Facebooker Jeff Hammerbacher, as highlighted in a <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm">recent Business Week article</a> that expounds upon this point: “"The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks."</p>
<p>There you go.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><!--nextpage-->Why I think we are confused.</span></p>
<p>So what the hell? Seed stage bubble, rationality at Series A, then bubble again in “momentum.” Bubbles can be good. It’s gambling but it’s not. WHY DOES ANY OF THIS MATTER? It is easy to get confused. And here, I think, I would like to introduce some new factors into the debate.</p>
<p><strong>We’re carrying baggage from last time</strong></p>
<p>Many debates refer to “<a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-727">1999 style bubble.</a>” NASDAQ insanity. Billions (Trillions?) of dollars vaporized. Our parent’s savings decimated. The dream of the internet halted. It hangs heavy over all of us. Many of us learned about bubbles for the first time (for my part, dating a Texan in college, my first real world experience, after studying bubbles in college, was the late 1980’s Texan real estate bubble). Much of our understanding of bubbles comes from NASDAQ’s rise and fall. The layoffs. The irrational exuberance. We are attempting to pattern-match.</p>
<p>But what if we are pattern-matching only the trappings of the bubble. We’re trying to avoid repeating our past mistakes. We speak of revenue in companies, though it is economically irrelevant to a bubble. Investor Dave McClure <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-731">sums this line of thinking up</a> when he says “there is SUBSTANTIAL revenue and even profits being generated by a much larger # of companies than ever before.”</p>
<p>We talk about P/E ratios of public companies. Ditto. We talk about how the economy as a whole is depressed, NASDAQ isn’t rising to the stratosphere. Though we felt and remember these things viscerally, they are all irrelevant to economic theory. We are addressing old criticisms when debating a current topic.</p>
<p>We also use the word “Bubble” to talk about all the cultural ridiculousness from the dot com era. Stupid parties. Bankers as tech moguls. 12-year-old founders. There was a lot of silliness in the dotcom era, and some of that silliness is happening now. This is neither evidence of a bubble or evidence against. But boy, does it bring back bad memories.</p>
<p>When we debate what’s actually going on, now, however, we must strive to remove all of that from our thinking.</p>
<p><strong>Some people have an interest in milking it</strong></p>
<p>I don’t want to spend too much time on this one. It’s tacky. And I don’t want to attack anyone personally. But remember: many people, including myself, are heavily invested in this trajectory continuing for a good long while, and getting a ton of these companies to IPO. Would a newspaper man be impartial talking about whether the newspapers are dying or not? Would a screen printer have an impartial opinion on desktop publishing? I’m not interested in going ad hominem, but there exists a substantial economic body of work around economic signaling and markets.</p>
<p><strong>It’s early in the bubble</strong></p>
<p>In his recent presentation, the multitude of slides Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-26">shows of industry trends now vs. the dotcom bubble</a> look, on first blush, as if they are different. The massive, spiraling peak we see in any chart of a bubble, ex post facto, hasn’t occurred yet. Yet if you look at 1997-1999 and compare it to 2010-2012, they are eerily similar. Bubbles start, grow, peak, and bust. That whole cycle is a bubble, regardless of where you are on it. Is this bubble early? Late? I’d probably wager we’re maybe a year or two in and it’ll peak in 2 or 3 more. But it doesn’t matter. That whole journey is the bubble. And I believe we’re in it now.</p>
<p><strong>Words, words, words.</strong></p>
<p>You’ll notice a lot of people saying “Boom” lately. Blodget, after saying there’s no bubble, <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-67">throws in the word</a> “boom” at the end of his presentation. MG Seigler <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-725">starts the Branch.com conversation</a> with “It's boom times, yes.”</p>
<p>In economics, a bubble consists of a boom, and then a bust. That’s it. Boom sounds nice, boom times, boom boom boom. Booms come with busts. Within a specific industry, booms plus bust equals bubble. End of story as far as economics go.</p>
<p>“Boom times,” the fun one, conjuring images of the wild rest or a factory towns or smiling Wired covers, are associated with the economy as a whole. These booms also go bust, but it’s a longer economic cycle than a bubble, so it sounds less threatening (though paradoxically potentially far more damaging). It’s semantics, and irrelevant to the larger conversation.</p>
<p><strong>There’s not a lot we can do about it</strong></p>
<p>This is, basically, true. There’s probably not much we can do about it, except for talk about it, hence, the endless debate. Matthew Ingram from GigaOm <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-742">says</a> on the Branch thread “But is cynical gambling behavior in tech or startups any different from what happens in the stock market or any other market every day?”</p>
<p>Gambling comes up often these days when talking about tech. There is substantial economic debate and theory going on about whether the stock market is gambling or not at this point, and it’s an interesting discussion. The strongest traditional argument is that value is created in the stock market, and gabling is zero-sum. This is still probably true (though, again, there is debate about this on a macroeconomic level). Some economists believe that bubbles can create value over the long term (Peres) but they are still bubbles, and there are still losers.</p>
<p>Additionally, sticking to our common definitions of gambling, all this does is reinforce pricing is against intrinsic values.</p>
<p><strong>It may not matter</strong></p>
<p>MG Seigler on <a href="http://beta.branch.com/are-we-currently-in-a-tech-bubble#post-727">Branch</a> says “All boom times end eventually. But calling this a ‘bubble’ implies this time is going to ‘burst’ with far reaching consequences. I just don't see that.”</p>
<p>This may be rational. Most economists agree that bubbles can cause economic damage and are interested in discovering why they happen. But most economists also agree that there are benefits (Peres, Schumpeter’s “Creative Distruction,”) etc. It’s irrelevant to the “are we in a bubble” debate, but I believe that we all viscerally want to deny being in a bubble because we equate bubbles with the devastation wrought in the dotcom boom and the recent housing market boom, though those levels of devastation are not required for a bubble. Big bubbles take economies down with them. But bubbles don’t have to.</p>
<p>In 2007 or so the English synth pop band Depeche Mode was beginning work on their last album, Sounds of the Universe. By this point in their storied career, Depeche Mode had sold over 100 million albums. Their 8th album had gone platinum in the US and number one in eight major countries. Their 7th had gone triple platinum. They had some cash and they were going to put it into their new record.</p>
<p>Toward that end, Martin L. Gore, the primary songwriter in Depeche Mode, decided that he wanted some new gear. Not new, exactly, but rather old, vintage analog synthesizers (along with a boatload of guitars). And he <a href="http://www.sequencer.de/blog/?p=12983">wanted</a> a <a href="http://www.my-personal-mode.com/SOTU/Press/depeche-sotu-press-keyboardmag-Depeche-Mode-Behind-The-Scenes-Part-1.htm">lot</a> of them. <a href="http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/depeche-mode39s-martin-gore/9003">Said</a> the engineer on the record Luke Smith, “Martin was buying all of the kit he’d ever wanted, along with any new and experimental gizmos that tickled his fancy. We started with a lot of gear, and by the end of the session there was a veritable smorgasbord of devices available to satisfy any palate.” Martin even credited the spree to the sound of the record: “I don’t think we can play down the effect that the parcels arriving every day had on the record.”</p>
<p>He was, to quote musician and analog collector Sean Drinkwater, “buying up every Steiner, EMS and EDP synth in existence.” Anyone shopping for analog synthesizers noticed that many of the Ebay auctions were ending in higher-than-normal prices. The specialist online sales outlets were all sold out, and synth prices skyrocketed. Frenzy ensued, and prices continued to skyrocket. Eventually, Depeche Mode got all the synths they needed, and prices began to decline.</p>
<p>And in the end, unless you were a synthesizer collector, the whole thing did not freakin’ matter one bit.</p>
<p><strong>We learned our lesson last time</strong></p>
<p>Many people believe that the tech sector has been sufficiently chastened and are more careful this time. Dave McClure <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-731">says</a> “The far greater trend is towards more rational co's &amp; pricing compared to 10-12 years ago.”</p>
<p>I’m tempted to say, “Irrelevant! Bubbles have strict definitions!” But in actuality, there is some validity for this point of view. Some economists agree. Studies have been performed where “bounded rationality” (the limits of investor’s knowledge) is mitigated over time with learning.⁠1 The studies were done with repeated trades with personally-known participants, but it’s not completely irrational to say that we’ve learned from the past bubble and may not make the same mistakes again. I hope so. It does, however, remain to be seen, and economic theory has not performed similar studies in the real world where people don’t really “know” each other. As an aside, there’s some interesting potential here on what it means to know someone, via social media and blogging, but I digress.</p>
<p><strong>The Sustainability question</strong></p>
<p>On the Branch debate, McClure <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-749">nails it</a> when he says “the more relevant issues to discuss are: (1) are there companies at incubation, seed, series A/B/C, or pre-IPO being ‘overpriced’ by investors, (2) is that happening at an ‘unsustainable level’ (ie, at some point will it be re-priced lower), and (3) is the trend towards more or less of that occurring now or in the future?”</p>
<p>He concedes points (1) and (3), so (2) is the big one.  Is it sustainable? Right now it can feel that way.</p>
<p>But things are happening.</p>
<p>We’re in a depressed economy, and VC is the one place exhibiting big returns. An analyst friend of mine says that the Instagram deal and the Facebook IPO are causing a frenzy with hedgies and high net worth individuals. And here I must apologize for bringing up Instagram. I agree with Chris Dixon that the Instagram deal is irrelevant to the existence of a bubble, and indeed it was a market price, not a valuation price so economists would agree as well. But the fact is rich dudes not in tech are freaking out over it. They are blown away by the breathtaking speed of wealth creation from the deal - who wouldn’t be? Many people on the Street are saying that that deal turned heads in a way even Facebook hadn’t. More money is coming into tech because of Instagram, whether it evidenced a bubble or not.</p>
<p>So what happens if the JOBS act, Instagram envy, a rebounding economy and the Facebook IPO concoct a perfect storm and cause a giant amount of new capital to flood the VC market?  Will prices stay the same? Or will we see an accelerated upward spiral? Will they still be sustainable then?</p>
<p>Are any of those four things NOT going to happen? We’ll have to see with the Facebook IPO but if all goes according to plan, this bubble could well be kicking into high gear.</p>
<p><strong>We Believe in the Internet</strong></p>
<p>The internet has massive potential. I believe this. We all do. We don’t like to call it a bubble because doing so belittles the transformational power of the internet. It makes the layperson go “Oh, just ignore that, it’s a fad.” The internet is not a fad. I believe that. Anyone in tech believes that. It’s why, despite everything I write here, I continue to invest in early stage internet companies (and, I confess, I may be a bit susceptible to the greater fool theory).</p>
<p>No one wants to beat on their baby. We love the Internet. All this talk of a bubble makes people doubt it. We don’t want people to doubt the Internet. For many of us, it’s the future. We remember people belittling the Internet after the dotcom bust, and it stung. Promise unfulfilled. It is very, very hard for me, at least, to talk about tech being hyped, because I love it so. It requires unrelenting intellectual honesty, and I can’t deny a massive amount of anxiety saying these things when I think about my own overwhelming exposure to tech in my investment portfolio. But I must. It sucks for me to say it, and I am not acting, yet, with my personal investments because of my belief that we are in a bubble, but I should. As much as I hate that. In the end, even though I see it coming, I’m gonna try and time it as much as anyone. Because I love the Internet, and I don’t want to get out.</p>
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<p>Bubbles bubbles bubbles! The talk continues. Last week the anti-bubble camp was in the ascendency. First we had <a href="http://beta.branch.com/are-we-currently-in-a-tech-bubble">a massive bubble debate</a> on <a href="http://branch.com/">Branch.com</a> (disclosure: I am an investor in Branch), featuring some of the best minds on the internet: Anil Dash, Dave McClure, Paul Kedrosky, Chris Sacca, Michael Arrington, MG Seigler and more. The rough consensus? No bubble.</p>
<p>In wrapping up the Branch debate, Seigler pointed to First Round Capital’s Josh Kopelman, and his <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2007/10/this-year-i-mea.html">hilarious bubble post</a> - from 2007, no less - mocking those who continuously cry bubble, and failing to grasp the transformational power of the internet. A fair point.</p>
<p>Next we had Business Insider Henry Blodget’s presentation <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-1">State of Startups 2012 presentation</a>, subtitled “No, it’s not a bubble.” Many charts, graphs and points followed laying out why the bubble doesn’t exist.</p>
<p>I must confess, however, I’m in the pro-bubble camp, and while reading the Branch debate, I found myself jumping up and down with counter arguments on why we actually are in a bubble. And, since I’ve taken a two week vacation from this column, I figured I’d come back with a vengeance, and cogently lay out all the arguments and counter arguments.<!--more--></p>
<p>I’ll start off by promising the anti-bubble posse that I will barely mention Instagram at all, and when I do, it will be only in a tangental manner. I promise.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;">What is a bubble?</span></p>
<p>The definition of a bubble is an important part of this debate. Chris Dixon expresses justified annoyance at this when he <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-752">says</a> “A bubble is a financial event. I don't understand people who try to discuss it without bringing financial evidence into the picture.” This is a valid point.</p>
<p>Economists generally agree that three things must be present for a bubble to exist: (1) high trading volumes, (2) prices that are different from their “intrinsic values,” and (3) that said difference between prices and intrinsic value must be considerable.</p>
<p>The Wall Street Journal <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121089412378097011.html">puts it thusly</a>: “Bubbles emerge at times when investors profoundly disagree about the significance of a big economic development, such as the birth of the Internet.”</p>
<p>Built into that definition are our key three items: disagreement would indicate considerable variance in price, and a big economic development implies high trading volumes. "The internet" or "the railroads" are big economic events. And because they are big events, there will be a lot of trading around them.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;">What a bubble is not</span></p>
<p>Just as important is what a bubble is not. A bubble doesn’t have to be in the stock market. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania">Tulip Mania</a>, the first bubble, had nothing to do with stocks. Subsequent examples abound. Many of the anti-bubble defenders base their arguments on metrics around the publicly-traded tech companies, talking about their P/E ratios for example. The P/E ratios of publicly-traded internet companies, such as LinkedIn, are within normal parameters right now. This, however, has nothing to do with "ALL" Internet companies, only the ones that are publicly-traded. No one realistically believes the bubble is in public companies, and the definition of a bubble does not require the bubble to be in publicly-traded companies.  Any arguments against a bubble that solely rely on P/E ratios of public companies aren't really relevant and indeed help obscure the true picture.</p>
<p>Additionally, a bubble is not tied to the economy as a whole. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction">Joseph Schumpeter </a>had a notorious aversion to looking at large economic trends when trying to discern what was really going on. He said “It is, therefore, misleading to reason on aggregative equilibrium as if it displayed the factors which initiate change and as if disturbance in the economic system as a whole could arise only from those aggregates.” (Look to p 36 <a href="http://docenti.lett.unisi.it/files/115/17/2/1/BusinessCycles_Fels.pdf">here</a>).</p>
<p>Economist <a href="http://www.carlotaperez.org/CVgs.htm">Carlota Perez</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=hmesHdCcXn4">something of a hero</a> of Union Square Venture’s Fred Wilson, takes the point further, stating that bubbles have nothing to do with the economy as a whole. “It is not even likely that the turbulent process by which new paradigms are assimilated should lead to regular up an down trends in the economy as a whole.” (Page 36, of her <a href="http://www.carlotaperez.org/Articulos/TRFC-TOCeng.htm">seminal work</a> Technical Revolutions and Financial Capital).</p>
<p>These are both important points, as many of the arguments against a bubble point to metrics from the stock market as evidence for the lack of bubble. Fact is, economists don’t care whether or not a bubble is in the stock market or trends with or against the larger economy.</p>
<p>It should also be said that bubbles have nothing to do with many of the things we hear about - anecdotal evidence of “founder friendly” terms, bankers going into tech, a bajillion ripoff tech companies managing to get funding, lavish parties, kid founders, etc.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><!--nextpage-->Why we’re in a bubble</span></p>
<p>So, then, it shouldn’t be that hard to see if we’re in a bubble, right? If our three criteria our met, we’re in one. Bob’s your uncle.</p>
<p>First, I’d posit that this is not a “dot com” bubble. I believe the bubble we’re in is a social/mobile bubble. I say this for a number of reasons: social/mobile companies have higher valuations than many of the other tech companies out there, and they garner considerably more press. It’s easy for us to think of the entire dot com sector, thanks to the previous dot com bubble, but in fact we have several sub-markets now. When Chris Dixon <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-731">says</a> “Instagram aside, there is SUBSTANTIAL revenue and even profits being generated by a much larger # of companies than ever before,” he is generally mixing all tech companies together. There are indeed several tech companies producing substantial revenue. But what percentage of social/mobile companies are?</p>
<p>Let’s look at those three pillars of the definition:</p>
<p><strong>Trade is at high volumes</strong><br />
Social mobile companies are proliferating. Many are getting invested in. TONS of them. We all know this. We see new deals every day on Techcrunch, VentureBeat, Betabeat, etc. Perusing the Branch discussion, everyone agrees there’s some “froth” at the early stages for “certain” types of companies (i.e., social/mobile).</p>
<p>But all this is, of course, subjective. So let’s look at Blodget’s empirical data. Despite some blurring at the beginning, in his Anti-Bubble presentation, Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-7">points out</a> VC investment in tech is increasing, now, even in a down economy.</p>
<p><strong>Prices are “considerably at variance to intrinsic values.”</strong><br />
So let’s turn our attention to pricing. There are two parts of this equation: (1) considerably at variance and (2) intrinsic values. Let’s go one by one.</p>
<p>(1) The very existence of a plethora of heated discussions on bubbles should be enough evidence that investors profoundly disagree. The tepid IPO market vs. the number of companies aiming to IPO, along with their substantial number of backers wishing for the same thing, should indicate two parties who substantially disagree on value, considerably.</p>
<p>(2) “Intrinsic value,” of course, is a bit more complicated. This has always been the sticking point for any educated bubble conversation. The tech sector has produced myriad companies that operated for years without revenue that eventually went blockbuster: Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc. Revenue, then, is only part of the equation. The trick is to figure out what else matters.</p>
<p>Intrinsic Value is defined by economists as the current and projected future value, marked to the present, of an asset. It is the “actual” value vs. the “market” value (and, thus, Facebook’s $1B purchase of Instagram is moot. That is a market value). This also means that if revenues are currently at zero, but future revenues are projected to be high, the current valuation is positive. So, then, despite zero present revenues, a company can have intrinsic value.</p>
<p>Opinions vary, however, on how to calculate this intrinsic value, since it relies solely on unknown future revenue. Is it the next instagram? Or a failure? It could be either. Mark Andreessen <a href="http://bloom.bg/wpZ0NY#ooid=ttbDJxMzoSHPwntDW2lPQjWn5gt2yiTg">suggests</a> factoring in the likelihood of the big win, thus adding a percentage multiplier into your calculations.</p>
<p>So let’s do that.</p>
<p>It is my position that many, if not all, of these companies are projected to earn their revenue from advertising. There are exceptions, like Zynga, but by and large, most of these companies are expected to make their money off of advertising. I have <a href="http://rickwebb.tumblr.com/post/4291795712/on-the-bubble">written extensively in the past</a> about the finite size of the global ad market, and how we can only support 9 more google-sized companies.</p>
<p>There are <a href="http://www.nvca.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=344&amp;Itemid=103">about</a> 3,500 startups funded every year. Delve into the stats at that link and you’ll see 1,000 of them are new startups in internet or media. The online ad market in the US is about $40B. The math there is $40 million potential for each new startup (you could complicate this by saying 5,000 startups over, say, five years, and $200 billion over the same span, but the math is the same.) And this ignores the previous contenders. What, really, is the statistical chance that any new startup will capture a substantial portion of that market? Given the massive barriers to entry via the need for building a substantial user base, and the large, incumbent players who already capture that ad revenue (Google is not going to go away), statistically, the answer has to be that It is approaching zero.</p>
<p>That should be the end of the argument from a mathematical perspective. The “rational” future “actual” value is the potential future value multiplied by its likelihood. I contend that the potential is far lower than stated, and the likelihood is far lower than stated as well. It’s not a $40 billion times 10%, it’s $40 million times .01%.</p>
<p>So there we have it. Mathematically, prices are out of whack with intrinsic values. And there is considerable disagreement, i.e. “considerable variance.”</p>
<p>There really shouldn’t be any thing else to the argument. However, I concede that all of this, while based in data, statistics and fact, is still based on my opinions of likelihood. There is still some guesswork.</p>
<p>Let’s look at the counter arguments.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><!--nextpage-->The Arguments against it being a bubble:</span></p>
<p>There are a bunch. Let’s go through them one by one:</p>
<p><strong>“This time it’s different”</strong><br />
There is a strange paradox going on with some observers contending that no one’s saying that this time things are different, while actually, this time, people are saying it’s different. Henry Blodget just gave us the best example of this. “Is everyone justifying today’s prices by saying ‘this time it’s different?’” he <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-31">asks</a>? “No.” And yet, right after saying that no one was saying ‘it’s different this time,” 15 slides later, Blodget is <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-47">outlining</a> why it’s different this time. It’s kind of awesome.</p>
<p>Paradox aside, Blodget’s arguments for why it’s different are the same as many others in the anti bubble camp: that way more people use the internet than during the dotcom boom, so the valuations are more realistic. That we are undergoing a social revolution, and that we are undergoing a mobile revolution. All of these are true. All of these are irrelevant to the existence of a bubble. They are arguments on one side of the “considerable variance” debate. Personally, I hope they are true. But we are sticking to the actual definition of a bubble here, and the fact that it’s different is moot. Indeed, both Schumpeter’s creative destruction and Peres’s technical revolutions, imply that many bubbles do result in something different, in a leap forward. And yet, the bubbles still happen, as do their commensurate crashes.</p>
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"Bubbles can be good.”</strong><br />
This is true. Bubbles can be good. They are still bubbles. The benefit of bubbles are moot to whether or not a bubble is happening. “Are we asking if consumer web/app technology's impact and influence on mainstream culture and ordinary people will decrease? I can't imagine so,” Anil Dash <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-728">commented</a> on Branch. It is an important point. Bubbles do destroy value, but good things can come out of them. This is probably more about the internal morality debates that many of us in tech have - are we helping the economy or hurting it? We may well be helping it, but it will still be a bubble, and someone else will bear the cost.</p>
<p>Nowhere in the definition of a bubble does social good enter into the equation. Carlota Peres predicates her whole seminal book on the fact that bubbles drive all major innovations. They do, however, come with costs, which she outlines in gory, devastating detail.</p>
<p><strong>"Prices are in line with value"</strong><br />
The Public Markets are Fine, For now. Investor Chris Sacca colorfully <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-789%20">sums it up</a>: “As you guys know, I am also a very active late stage investor. Business on that end is entirely different than in the 90s when I first got to the Valley. Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc are all real businesses with CAGRs that would make a hockey stick blush and reach for the Viagra.”</p>
<p>Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-12">points out</a> that the IPO market is open, but it is far from robust. This is true. The bubble is not in public markets.</p>
<p>Yet many bubble deniers continue to use public market data to defend the private markets. Investor Chris Dixon does so in the Branch debate by <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-752">saying</a>, “In particular, in every bubble in the past, P/E ratios of securities bought and sold by non-professional investors were way higher than the historical average. During the dot-com bubble and housing bubble, P/E's were over 40…. Current P/Es in tech are a reasonable 17 (historical average for S&amp;P is 15).” Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-39">uses</a> Apple as an example, showing that it’s P/E ratio is a reasonable 15.</p>
<p>Mark Andreessen <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/marc-andreessen-on-the-tech-bubble-2012-5">echoed these sentiments</a> last week when he said “If we're in a bubble, it's the weirdest bubble I've ever seen where everyone hates everything. If you check tech stocks that went public recently, it's nose down to the ground. We're now 15 years of flat stock market returns. That's a weird bubble.”</p>
<p>And yet public markets are irrelevant unless we’re arguing a narrow bubble of public market tech stocks only, which no one is arguing. It’s a red herring.</p>
<p>Public markets are tight right now partially due to tech stocks doubt, but the main reason for the lack of IPO access is due to larger issues with the recession we are currently in, and slowly working our way out of. This will change.</p>
<p>Previously, I had <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/03/27/jobs-act-jitters/">commented</a> on how as pressure for tech companies to IPO increases , the public market tightness will come under attack. This absolutely came to fruition with the JOBS act, and Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-11">as much as gives up the game</a> in his recent presentation in a footnote that says ”The JOBS act could begin to change this. Fingers crossed…”</p>
<p>So let’s move on, then, to where most bubble-believers argue that the bubble is forming, in the private markets. As we’ve said, the hardest part of bubble identification is figuring out whether the prices have decoupled rationally or not. Whether “intrinsic values” are still being considered. Many bubble deniers concede this, such as Chris Dixon, who said of early stage private companies "those have never been valued by VCs on purely financial metrics." This is, of course, true, but could be interpreted to tacitly admit that pricing is not at “intrinsic value.” Of course, things still need to be “considerably at variance” and “high volume” to be a bubble, but this does effectively concede that things are not at intrinsic value.</p>
<p>There exists a large body of work explaining the apparently irrational yet defensibly logical pricing of tech startups - quality of the founder, mobile trends, social trends, competitive funding environment. If you look at something like <a href="http://www.quora.com/Startup-Private-Valuations/Which-valuation-methods-can-be-used-to-value-a-startup">this Quora thread</a>, you’ll see a lot of talk about normal valuations, with some admissions that they are mainly guesswork. Indeed, it’s comical how many different Quora threads ask the same question in different ways. Poke around. Also often mentioned are whether the founder is still at their job, the quality of the founder, and whether they have a prototype. It’s worth noting that none of these three factors are related to the economic definition of “intrinsic value.” I’m not saying they don’t matter - they’re factors I base my own investment decisions upon - and god knows what ELSE we’re supposed to use. But nonetheless, they are irrelevant to economic theories of bubbles.</p>
<p>Chris Dixon <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/04/29/is-it-a-tech-bubble/">recently conceded</a> that “certain stages of venture valuations do seem over-valued, in particular seed-stage valuations and (less obviously) later stage ‘momentum valuations.’” He explains this by talking about the proliferation of seed stage investors who are investing in what they believe in (I would be one of those) and in the momentum stage by non-inherent-value decisions such as “VC’s who want to be associated with marquee startup names, the desire to catch the next Facebook before it gets too big, and the desire of mega-sized VC funds to “put more money to work.” He counters this by saying that Series A seems under-valued. Dixon rightfully points out that it’s hard to have a public debate about this due to confidentiality. He’s right. So basically Chris is saying there's froth in early stage due to lots of angels (like me) and froth at the late stage because of "momentum" valuations (ie tumblr and foursquare, groupon etc). In the middle, around Series A, he thinks that there's not frothy valuations. He may be right. So can it be a bubble if there's a sober moment in the process from early stage, to series A, to "momentum" valuations? It's an interesting point of view. I do wonder, though, If there's froth before and after sober Series A, however, does it really matter? And for what it's worth, personally, I have seen plenty of froth in Series A as well.</p>
<p>One thing I will cave on. Dixon makes the excellent, eye-opening point that “This doesn’t mean the investors think they will invest and then get some greater fool to invest in the company again. For instance, at the seed stage, intelligent investors are quite aware that they are buying the dream but will need to have numbers to raise a Series A.” I admit I hadn’t thought of that in exactly that way before. Yet if our bubble is in Social Mobile, a world still primarily of light revenue, I wonder what metrics those valuations are based on? Revenue is, after all, the only metric relevant to "intrinsic values." But most Series A rounds I've seen are still very light on revenue. The metrics used to establish value are based on users, who will, hopefully, one day be turned into revenue. Most of those valuations are, in my experience, fairly optimistic about per-user future revenue.</p>
<p>Andreessen’s method of market potential multiplied by likelihood does a good job at addressing these concerns. Though as we’ve seen, interpretations of the numbers can vary widely.  And none of those, however, work in situations like YC’s new “<a href="http://ycombinator.com/noidea.html">Apply without an idea</a>” program, or the funding of some founders without any idea (i.e. <a href="http://gawker.com/5868915/score-15-million-for-not-having-a-good-tech-idea">Jakob Lodwick</a>)</p>
<p>I’ll admit that we can’t get anything off the ground if we fund everything at zero or near zero valuations. We have to put a stake in the ground somewhere. But in terms of a strict definition of a bubble, it’s hard to deny that intrinsic value, from an economist’s point of view, hasn’t been thrown out the window.</p>
<p>In a recent controversial (in tech circles) NY Times <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/disruptions-with-no-revenue-an-illusion-of-value/">piece by Nick Bilton</a>, Paul Kedrosky,  an investor and editor for Bloomberg, explained “It serves the interest of the investors who can come up with whatever valuation they want when there are no revenues. Once there is no revenue, there is no science, and it all just becomes finger in the wind valuations.”</p>
<p>Chris Dixon partially affirmed this last week by <a href="http://cdixon.org/2012/04/29/is-it-a-tech-bubble/">saying</a> “The argument that sometimes startups get better valuations without revenue is somewhat true.’</p>
<p>In the end, it’s anyone’s guess. Investor Chris Sacca sums up the conundrum on the Branch debate by <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-788">saying</a> “It's easy to moan about valuation creep on the seed stage deals, and I cringe at some of the entitled attitude I see around these days. However, for all the whining, I will concede that two of my best performing deals ever, Twitter and Instagram, were done at roughly $25mm and $30mm pre respectively. So, what the fuck do I know?”</p>
<p>It’s a mess. It’s a constant debate. But if we can’t know prices are too high, we certainly can’t know that they’re reasonable, and, thus, the defense crumbles.</p>
<p><strong>The “greater fool” inversion.</strong><br />
Bilton, who was on the Branch thread, <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-763">parries</a> for the bubble believers: “One of the signs of a coming bubble could be seen with the high valuation of start-ups. Viddy at $370 million; Foursquare at $700 million; Pinterest at $1+ Billion. All of these companies, and many others, have very little, if any, revenue. When start-ups reach such high valuations, they are left with only a handful of suitors that can acquire them. If there is no buyer, these companies have to go public, which is where the price-earnings ratios become a problem and confidence can wane.”</p>
<p>To which Michael Arrington <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-787">shot back</a> “A lack of buyers is an excellent indicator of a not-bubble. The greater fool theory assumes there's always someone dumb enough to pay more.” Apparently because the number of buyers is limited, the greater fool theory is not in play.</p>
<p>I love this. The flaw here is that the whole point of the greater fool theory is that this is true until it’s not. One day the music stops.</p>
<p>Barring that, Bilton is correct: pressure is coming to push these companies public, before their ready (see below), thus, the “greater fool” argument is still in effect.</p>
<p>As an aside, Economists do not currently find the “greater fool” theory to be true, despite such believes being “<a href="http://www.usc.edu/schools/business/FBE/seminars/papers/MOR_9-14-07_Levine.pdf">prevelant among practitioners</a>”</p>
<p><strong>“No one is getting hurt.”</strong><br />
The argument here is that this is just a bunch of rich people gambling, it’s only in the private markets, and no one else is getting hurt. Your mom and dad aren’t going to get hurt.</p>
<p>This is so not true. Public pension funds have always been a massive source of venture funding. Says the Times recently, for example, “By September 2011, retirement systems with more than $1 billion in assets had increased their stakes in real estate, private equity and hedge funds to 19 percent, from 10.7 percent in 2007, according to the Wilshire Trust Universe Comparison Service.” Even in staid Europe, Pensions makes over 10% of the VC funding, The Economist <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21552936">points out.</a></p>
<p>Your mom and dad can still get hurt. This is not just rich people’s money. Not even close. It may ease our conscience to think that, but it is a lie.</p>
<p><strong>Low costs in early stage startups</strong><br />
Paul Kedrosky <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-772%0A">made a point</a> in the Branch debate I had not thought of before in terms of bubbles, and it’s an interesting one. “There does seem to be more activity at the early-stage than is justified by outcomes, &amp; it is frequently happening at higher valuations than would seem prudent. Having said that, the costs are low, so, in the same way the Cambrian explosion led to most modern forms of life, cheap speciation (with high die-offs) is an unsurprising ecosystem response to incident energy..”</p>
<p>Basically, yes, values are high relative to intrinsic values, but startups are so cheap now that it doesn’t really matter if a bunch of them die off. Good will be done.</p>
<p>To me, this seems to be a combination of the “bubbles can be good” argument and the “no one is getting hurt” argument. I’ve tackled each individually, and should point out that  both are specifically not relevant to the definition of the bubble, and in aggregate, damage may still be done if capital is being diverted from other, more useful sources. Recall the recent Tweet heard round the world by ex-Facebooker Jeff Hammerbacher, as highlighted in a <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_17/b4225060960537.htm">recent Business Week article</a> that expounds upon this point: “"The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks."</p>
<p>There you go.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><!--nextpage-->Why I think we are confused.</span></p>
<p>So what the hell? Seed stage bubble, rationality at Series A, then bubble again in “momentum.” Bubbles can be good. It’s gambling but it’s not. WHY DOES ANY OF THIS MATTER? It is easy to get confused. And here, I think, I would like to introduce some new factors into the debate.</p>
<p><strong>We’re carrying baggage from last time</strong></p>
<p>Many debates refer to “<a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-727">1999 style bubble.</a>” NASDAQ insanity. Billions (Trillions?) of dollars vaporized. Our parent’s savings decimated. The dream of the internet halted. It hangs heavy over all of us. Many of us learned about bubbles for the first time (for my part, dating a Texan in college, my first real world experience, after studying bubbles in college, was the late 1980’s Texan real estate bubble). Much of our understanding of bubbles comes from NASDAQ’s rise and fall. The layoffs. The irrational exuberance. We are attempting to pattern-match.</p>
<p>But what if we are pattern-matching only the trappings of the bubble. We’re trying to avoid repeating our past mistakes. We speak of revenue in companies, though it is economically irrelevant to a bubble. Investor Dave McClure <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-731">sums this line of thinking up</a> when he says “there is SUBSTANTIAL revenue and even profits being generated by a much larger # of companies than ever before.”</p>
<p>We talk about P/E ratios of public companies. Ditto. We talk about how the economy as a whole is depressed, NASDAQ isn’t rising to the stratosphere. Though we felt and remember these things viscerally, they are all irrelevant to economic theory. We are addressing old criticisms when debating a current topic.</p>
<p>We also use the word “Bubble” to talk about all the cultural ridiculousness from the dot com era. Stupid parties. Bankers as tech moguls. 12-year-old founders. There was a lot of silliness in the dotcom era, and some of that silliness is happening now. This is neither evidence of a bubble or evidence against. But boy, does it bring back bad memories.</p>
<p>When we debate what’s actually going on, now, however, we must strive to remove all of that from our thinking.</p>
<p><strong>Some people have an interest in milking it</strong></p>
<p>I don’t want to spend too much time on this one. It’s tacky. And I don’t want to attack anyone personally. But remember: many people, including myself, are heavily invested in this trajectory continuing for a good long while, and getting a ton of these companies to IPO. Would a newspaper man be impartial talking about whether the newspapers are dying or not? Would a screen printer have an impartial opinion on desktop publishing? I’m not interested in going ad hominem, but there exists a substantial economic body of work around economic signaling and markets.</p>
<p><strong>It’s early in the bubble</strong></p>
<p>In his recent presentation, the multitude of slides Blodget <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-26">shows of industry trends now vs. the dotcom bubble</a> look, on first blush, as if they are different. The massive, spiraling peak we see in any chart of a bubble, ex post facto, hasn’t occurred yet. Yet if you look at 1997-1999 and compare it to 2010-2012, they are eerily similar. Bubbles start, grow, peak, and bust. That whole cycle is a bubble, regardless of where you are on it. Is this bubble early? Late? I’d probably wager we’re maybe a year or two in and it’ll peak in 2 or 3 more. But it doesn’t matter. That whole journey is the bubble. And I believe we’re in it now.</p>
<p><strong>Words, words, words.</strong></p>
<p>You’ll notice a lot of people saying “Boom” lately. Blodget, after saying there’s no bubble, <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/state-of-startups-2012-5#-67">throws in the word</a> “boom” at the end of his presentation. MG Seigler <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-725">starts the Branch.com conversation</a> with “It's boom times, yes.”</p>
<p>In economics, a bubble consists of a boom, and then a bust. That’s it. Boom sounds nice, boom times, boom boom boom. Booms come with busts. Within a specific industry, booms plus bust equals bubble. End of story as far as economics go.</p>
<p>“Boom times,” the fun one, conjuring images of the wild rest or a factory towns or smiling Wired covers, are associated with the economy as a whole. These booms also go bust, but it’s a longer economic cycle than a bubble, so it sounds less threatening (though paradoxically potentially far more damaging). It’s semantics, and irrelevant to the larger conversation.</p>
<p><strong>There’s not a lot we can do about it</strong></p>
<p>This is, basically, true. There’s probably not much we can do about it, except for talk about it, hence, the endless debate. Matthew Ingram from GigaOm <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-742">says</a> on the Branch thread “But is cynical gambling behavior in tech or startups any different from what happens in the stock market or any other market every day?”</p>
<p>Gambling comes up often these days when talking about tech. There is substantial economic debate and theory going on about whether the stock market is gambling or not at this point, and it’s an interesting discussion. The strongest traditional argument is that value is created in the stock market, and gabling is zero-sum. This is still probably true (though, again, there is debate about this on a macroeconomic level). Some economists believe that bubbles can create value over the long term (Peres) but they are still bubbles, and there are still losers.</p>
<p>Additionally, sticking to our common definitions of gambling, all this does is reinforce pricing is against intrinsic values.</p>
<p><strong>It may not matter</strong></p>
<p>MG Seigler on <a href="http://beta.branch.com/are-we-currently-in-a-tech-bubble#post-727">Branch</a> says “All boom times end eventually. But calling this a ‘bubble’ implies this time is going to ‘burst’ with far reaching consequences. I just don't see that.”</p>
<p>This may be rational. Most economists agree that bubbles can cause economic damage and are interested in discovering why they happen. But most economists also agree that there are benefits (Peres, Schumpeter’s “Creative Distruction,”) etc. It’s irrelevant to the “are we in a bubble” debate, but I believe that we all viscerally want to deny being in a bubble because we equate bubbles with the devastation wrought in the dotcom boom and the recent housing market boom, though those levels of devastation are not required for a bubble. Big bubbles take economies down with them. But bubbles don’t have to.</p>
<p>In 2007 or so the English synth pop band Depeche Mode was beginning work on their last album, Sounds of the Universe. By this point in their storied career, Depeche Mode had sold over 100 million albums. Their 8th album had gone platinum in the US and number one in eight major countries. Their 7th had gone triple platinum. They had some cash and they were going to put it into their new record.</p>
<p>Toward that end, Martin L. Gore, the primary songwriter in Depeche Mode, decided that he wanted some new gear. Not new, exactly, but rather old, vintage analog synthesizers (along with a boatload of guitars). And he <a href="http://www.sequencer.de/blog/?p=12983">wanted</a> a <a href="http://www.my-personal-mode.com/SOTU/Press/depeche-sotu-press-keyboardmag-Depeche-Mode-Behind-The-Scenes-Part-1.htm">lot</a> of them. <a href="http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/depeche-mode39s-martin-gore/9003">Said</a> the engineer on the record Luke Smith, “Martin was buying all of the kit he’d ever wanted, along with any new and experimental gizmos that tickled his fancy. We started with a lot of gear, and by the end of the session there was a veritable smorgasbord of devices available to satisfy any palate.” Martin even credited the spree to the sound of the record: “I don’t think we can play down the effect that the parcels arriving every day had on the record.”</p>
<p>He was, to quote musician and analog collector Sean Drinkwater, “buying up every Steiner, EMS and EDP synth in existence.” Anyone shopping for analog synthesizers noticed that many of the Ebay auctions were ending in higher-than-normal prices. The specialist online sales outlets were all sold out, and synth prices skyrocketed. Frenzy ensued, and prices continued to skyrocket. Eventually, Depeche Mode got all the synths they needed, and prices began to decline.</p>
<p>And in the end, unless you were a synthesizer collector, the whole thing did not freakin’ matter one bit.</p>
<p><strong>We learned our lesson last time</strong></p>
<p>Many people believe that the tech sector has been sufficiently chastened and are more careful this time. Dave McClure <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-731">says</a> “The far greater trend is towards more rational co's &amp; pricing compared to 10-12 years ago.”</p>
<p>I’m tempted to say, “Irrelevant! Bubbles have strict definitions!” But in actuality, there is some validity for this point of view. Some economists agree. Studies have been performed where “bounded rationality” (the limits of investor’s knowledge) is mitigated over time with learning.⁠1 The studies were done with repeated trades with personally-known participants, but it’s not completely irrational to say that we’ve learned from the past bubble and may not make the same mistakes again. I hope so. It does, however, remain to be seen, and economic theory has not performed similar studies in the real world where people don’t really “know” each other. As an aside, there’s some interesting potential here on what it means to know someone, via social media and blogging, but I digress.</p>
<p><strong>The Sustainability question</strong></p>
<p>On the Branch debate, McClure <a href="http://on.branch.com/ICP2Ih#post-749">nails it</a> when he says “the more relevant issues to discuss are: (1) are there companies at incubation, seed, series A/B/C, or pre-IPO being ‘overpriced’ by investors, (2) is that happening at an ‘unsustainable level’ (ie, at some point will it be re-priced lower), and (3) is the trend towards more or less of that occurring now or in the future?”</p>
<p>He concedes points (1) and (3), so (2) is the big one.  Is it sustainable? Right now it can feel that way.</p>
<p>But things are happening.</p>
<p>We’re in a depressed economy, and VC is the one place exhibiting big returns. An analyst friend of mine says that the Instagram deal and the Facebook IPO are causing a frenzy with hedgies and high net worth individuals. And here I must apologize for bringing up Instagram. I agree with Chris Dixon that the Instagram deal is irrelevant to the existence of a bubble, and indeed it was a market price, not a valuation price so economists would agree as well. But the fact is rich dudes not in tech are freaking out over it. They are blown away by the breathtaking speed of wealth creation from the deal - who wouldn’t be? Many people on the Street are saying that that deal turned heads in a way even Facebook hadn’t. More money is coming into tech because of Instagram, whether it evidenced a bubble or not.</p>
<p>So what happens if the JOBS act, Instagram envy, a rebounding economy and the Facebook IPO concoct a perfect storm and cause a giant amount of new capital to flood the VC market?  Will prices stay the same? Or will we see an accelerated upward spiral? Will they still be sustainable then?</p>
<p>Are any of those four things NOT going to happen? We’ll have to see with the Facebook IPO but if all goes according to plan, this bubble could well be kicking into high gear.</p>
<p><strong>We Believe in the Internet</strong></p>
<p>The internet has massive potential. I believe this. We all do. We don’t like to call it a bubble because doing so belittles the transformational power of the internet. It makes the layperson go “Oh, just ignore that, it’s a fad.” The internet is not a fad. I believe that. Anyone in tech believes that. It’s why, despite everything I write here, I continue to invest in early stage internet companies (and, I confess, I may be a bit susceptible to the greater fool theory).</p>
<p>No one wants to beat on their baby. We love the Internet. All this talk of a bubble makes people doubt it. We don’t want people to doubt the Internet. For many of us, it’s the future. We remember people belittling the Internet after the dotcom bust, and it stung. Promise unfulfilled. It is very, very hard for me, at least, to talk about tech being hyped, because I love it so. It requires unrelenting intellectual honesty, and I can’t deny a massive amount of anxiety saying these things when I think about my own overwhelming exposure to tech in my investment portfolio. But I must. It sucks for me to say it, and I am not acting, yet, with my personal investments because of my belief that we are in a bubble, but I should. As much as I hate that. In the end, even though I see it coming, I’m gonna try and time it as much as anyone. Because I love the Internet, and I don’t want to get out.</p>
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		<title>That Massive New eBay Office in the Flatiron Will Be an R&amp;D Lab</title>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:09:59 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>A few weeks ago, <em>The Observer</em> first <a href="http://www.commercialobserver.com/2012/04/ebay-hunch-take-35000-square-feet-office-at-625-avenue-of-the-americas/">broke the news</a> that eBay closed a deal for the entire third floor of 625 Avenue of the Americas at 18th Street to <a href="http://www.commercialobserver.com/2012/04/ebay-hunch-take-35000-square-feet-office-at-625-avenue-of-the-americas/">use it as an outpost</a> for Hunch, the recommendation engine that eBay purchased <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/11/21/chris-dixon-ebay-hunch/">last November</a>. The company finally made the announcement official today and the <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/3/2996539/ebay-bids-big-on-new-york-with-launch-of-massive-new-r-d-office">Verge</a> has some details. The 35,000 square foot space will house an R&amp;D lab staffed by more than 200 developers, as well as big data scientists. Hunch cofounder and investor Chris Dixon will run the show.</p>
<p>The goal is to rival Google as one of the top employers for engineers in New York City. Expect hackathons and free coworking space for startups that qualify as "friends of eBay," as well as showcases about the future of commerce for PayPal, another eBay property. Corporations like <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/05/03/aols-press-shy-q-labs-is-full-of-merciless-startup-killers/">AOL</a> and <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/05/03/microsoft-to-open-new-research-lab-in-nyc/">Microsoft</a> <em>both</em> came forward today to promote their nimble startup incubators, which might be why Mr. Dixon seemed a mite touchy about eBay's new lab. "Don't call it an incubator," Mr. Dixon told the <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/3/2996539/ebay-bids-big-on-new-york-with-launch-of-massive-new-r-d-office">Verge</a>. "That term is pretty loaded these days."</p>
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<p>A few weeks ago, <em>The Observer</em> first <a href="http://www.commercialobserver.com/2012/04/ebay-hunch-take-35000-square-feet-office-at-625-avenue-of-the-americas/">broke the news</a> that eBay closed a deal for the entire third floor of 625 Avenue of the Americas at 18th Street to <a href="http://www.commercialobserver.com/2012/04/ebay-hunch-take-35000-square-feet-office-at-625-avenue-of-the-americas/">use it as an outpost</a> for Hunch, the recommendation engine that eBay purchased <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/11/21/chris-dixon-ebay-hunch/">last November</a>. The company finally made the announcement official today and the <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/3/2996539/ebay-bids-big-on-new-york-with-launch-of-massive-new-r-d-office">Verge</a> has some details. The 35,000 square foot space will house an R&amp;D lab staffed by more than 200 developers, as well as big data scientists. Hunch cofounder and investor Chris Dixon will run the show.</p>
<p>The goal is to rival Google as one of the top employers for engineers in New York City. Expect hackathons and free coworking space for startups that qualify as "friends of eBay," as well as showcases about the future of commerce for PayPal, another eBay property. Corporations like <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/05/03/aols-press-shy-q-labs-is-full-of-merciless-startup-killers/">AOL</a> and <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/05/03/microsoft-to-open-new-research-lab-in-nyc/">Microsoft</a> <em>both</em> came forward today to promote their nimble startup incubators, which might be why Mr. Dixon seemed a mite touchy about eBay's new lab. "Don't call it an incubator," Mr. Dixon told the <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/3/2996539/ebay-bids-big-on-new-york-with-launch-of-massive-new-r-d-office">Verge</a>. "That term is pretty loaded these days."</p>
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		<title>Coastal Investors Marvel at Pinterest&#8217;s Target Market: &#8216;Regular People&#8217; in Flyover Country</title>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:47:39 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>Pinterest, the only hockey-stick startup with the distinction of being embraced by women <em>and</em> <a href="http://gawker.com/5887097/why-do-mormons-including-mitt-romneys-wife-love-pinterest">Mormons</a>, gets the full <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all"><em>New York Times</em> treatment </a>today with a profile by Jenna Wortham, well-timed to the <del>clusterfuck</del> hullabaloo currently underway in Austin. While other startups clamor over themselves to preach to the choir and woo early-adopters, Pinterest user base began in Des Moines, Iowa, where cofounder Ben Silbermann grew up.</p>
<p>While the startup's hearting-the-heartland approach has caused "some headscratching" at SXSW, its also infected investors with a wicked case of envy. "It defies the mold that<strong> you have to build something for New York and San Francisco</strong> and then spread it out from there," Chris Dixon, who is slated to interview Mr. Silbermann on stage tomorrow, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all">told the <em>Times</em></a>, adding, "Everyone’s envious. I’m envious. I wish I was an investor. I wish I’d created the site.”</p>
<p>One investor who may be immune? New York Angels founder <a href="http://mashable.com/2012/03/11/pinterest-first-investor/">Brian Cohen</a>, who also has the distinction of being Pinterest's very first investor.<!--more-->Mr. Cohen tells <a href="http://mashable.com/2012/03/11/pinterest-first-investor/">Mashable</a> how he met Mr. Silbermann and cofounder Evan Sharp when the two were just "a couple of young guys from NYU" at a business plan competition. (Mr. Silbermann's <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/silbermann">LinkedIn profile</a>, however, lists him as alma mater as Yale.)</p>
<p>According to Mr. Cohen, what distinguished Pinterest, which went through <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all">30 to 40 iterations</a>, was the founders' <a href="http://mashable.com/2012/03/11/pinterest-first-investor/">ability to listen</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>That listening started with a different product Silbermann was working on at Cold Brew Labs — an app called Tote. <strong>The idea was the first woman’s fashion catalog on the iPhone</strong>. Cohen told me Silbermann watched user behavior on Tote. “As the app was being used, he recognized that women were grabbing, tagging specific items that they were able to view later when they got home,” said Cohen. What Silbermann saw was that huge numbers of people were grabbing items and sharing them with friends. “<strong>He recognized that these women were sharing their tastes.”</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Betabeat has mentioned before how Pinterest's boards and aspirational/consumerist bent look to us more like <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/01/04/is-pinterests-push-button-boards-formula-really-going-to-change-the-web/">the next-generation of those snail-mail catalogs</a>, except one you in create yourself. The <em>Times</em> likens it more to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all">scrapbooking</a>.</p>
<p>In search of Mr. Silbermann's New York University connections, we came across this video of a speech he gave <a href="http://vimeo.com/19499445">at NYU-Stern in 2010</a>, where he discussed the idea of <a href="http://vimeo.com/19499445">collecting</a>, something he used to do with bugs and stamps as a young boy in Iowa. Moving that impulse online, he said, is "fundamentally changing<strong> the way regular people discover the things around them</strong>":</p>
<blockquote><p>Why is collection so basic to who we are? I think the answer lies in self-expression. If you walk around Brooklyn and ask people how they express themselves. Everyone's a musician or an artist or a filmmaker. <strong>But most of us aren't that interesting</strong>. <strong>Most of us are just consumers of that</strong>. And when we collect things and when we share those collections with people that's how we show who we are in the world. That's how we express our taste to the people around us."</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that Pinterest, which boasts $40 million in financing, needs our help with the pitch. But we might stick with "regular" folks and leave out the less interesting part going forward . . .</p>
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<p>Pinterest, the only hockey-stick startup with the distinction of being embraced by women <em>and</em> <a href="http://gawker.com/5887097/why-do-mormons-including-mitt-romneys-wife-love-pinterest">Mormons</a>, gets the full <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all"><em>New York Times</em> treatment </a>today with a profile by Jenna Wortham, well-timed to the <del>clusterfuck</del> hullabaloo currently underway in Austin. While other startups clamor over themselves to preach to the choir and woo early-adopters, Pinterest user base began in Des Moines, Iowa, where cofounder Ben Silbermann grew up.</p>
<p>While the startup's hearting-the-heartland approach has caused "some headscratching" at SXSW, its also infected investors with a wicked case of envy. "It defies the mold that<strong> you have to build something for New York and San Francisco</strong> and then spread it out from there," Chris Dixon, who is slated to interview Mr. Silbermann on stage tomorrow, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all">told the <em>Times</em></a>, adding, "Everyone’s envious. I’m envious. I wish I was an investor. I wish I’d created the site.”</p>
<p>One investor who may be immune? New York Angels founder <a href="http://mashable.com/2012/03/11/pinterest-first-investor/">Brian Cohen</a>, who also has the distinction of being Pinterest's very first investor.<!--more-->Mr. Cohen tells <a href="http://mashable.com/2012/03/11/pinterest-first-investor/">Mashable</a> how he met Mr. Silbermann and cofounder Evan Sharp when the two were just "a couple of young guys from NYU" at a business plan competition. (Mr. Silbermann's <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/silbermann">LinkedIn profile</a>, however, lists him as alma mater as Yale.)</p>
<p>According to Mr. Cohen, what distinguished Pinterest, which went through <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all">30 to 40 iterations</a>, was the founders' <a href="http://mashable.com/2012/03/11/pinterest-first-investor/">ability to listen</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>That listening started with a different product Silbermann was working on at Cold Brew Labs — an app called Tote. <strong>The idea was the first woman’s fashion catalog on the iPhone</strong>. Cohen told me Silbermann watched user behavior on Tote. “As the app was being used, he recognized that women were grabbing, tagging specific items that they were able to view later when they got home,” said Cohen. What Silbermann saw was that huge numbers of people were grabbing items and sharing them with friends. “<strong>He recognized that these women were sharing their tastes.”</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Betabeat has mentioned before how Pinterest's boards and aspirational/consumerist bent look to us more like <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/01/04/is-pinterests-push-button-boards-formula-really-going-to-change-the-web/">the next-generation of those snail-mail catalogs</a>, except one you in create yourself. The <em>Times</em> likens it more to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/technology/start-ups/pinterest-aims-at-the-scrapbook-maker-in-all-of-us.html?_r=1&amp;ref=technology&amp;pagewanted=all">scrapbooking</a>.</p>
<p>In search of Mr. Silbermann's New York University connections, we came across this video of a speech he gave <a href="http://vimeo.com/19499445">at NYU-Stern in 2010</a>, where he discussed the idea of <a href="http://vimeo.com/19499445">collecting</a>, something he used to do with bugs and stamps as a young boy in Iowa. Moving that impulse online, he said, is "fundamentally changing<strong> the way regular people discover the things around them</strong>":</p>
<blockquote><p>Why is collection so basic to who we are? I think the answer lies in self-expression. If you walk around Brooklyn and ask people how they express themselves. Everyone's a musician or an artist or a filmmaker. <strong>But most of us aren't that interesting</strong>. <strong>Most of us are just consumers of that</strong>. And when we collect things and when we share those collections with people that's how we show who we are in the world. That's how we express our taste to the people around us."</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that Pinterest, which boasts $40 million in financing, needs our help with the pitch. But we might stick with "regular" folks and leave out the less interesting part going forward . . .</p>
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<p>On a recent Wednesday evening, all the red plush seats in the large, two-tiered auditorium at NYU’s Skirball Center were filled, as they usually are for the monthly assembly of the New York Tech Meetup, the largest organization of Internet professionals in the city. But the twittering audience members were about to hear some bad news they probably already knew: New York is No. 2.</p>
<p>Scott Heiferman, the sandy-haired founder <a href="http://www.observer.com/2011/media/freebies-skirball-pride-and-scott-heiferman-breaks-another-ipad-what-you-missed-nytm">known to smash iPads on stage</a> for dramatic effect, <a href="http://nytm.org/2012/02/10/video-of-february-8-nytm-and-transcript-of-speech-by-andrew-rasiej/">flipped through slides</a> ranking cities around the world by their tech meetup ecosystems. Chicago was No. 5; Washington, D.C. was No. 4, and London was No. 3. He reached a screen labeled TOP TWO TECH TOWNS, and he stopped. “So the Bay Area and New York,” he said mischievously, as the techies giggled and agitated in their seats. “Let’s get into this right now. Leeeeet’s take a look at this.”</p>
<p>The next slide showed two lines, red and blue, zig-zagging in tandem—but Silicon Valley was consistently a cut above. “Isn’t it crazy that we have been neck and neck with the Bay Area for month after month after month?” Mr. Heiferman asked the audience. “I think that has to change. And I think we need to let a little aggression out. Does anyone have an iPad?”<br />
Nobody did—or rather, nobody offered to hand one over. But it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine Mr. Heiferman sledgehammering a tablet from the Cupertino-based company to make his point.</p>
<p>The rivalry between the coastal tech hubs is not entirely friendly. “<a href="http://cdixon.org/2010/02/01/the-nyc-tech-scene-is-exploding/">The NYC tech scene is exploding</a>,” investor and entrepreneur Chris Dixon wrote in February 2010, an early instance of the now-common trope of pairing the words “New York City tech” with the word “exploding” (alternatively, “blowing up”; also “killing it,” “crushing it”). “Am I the only person in NYC rolling their eyes at this continual barrage of ‘IN NYC IT RAINS MANNA FROM THE SKY!’?” one commenter <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1093976">wrote</a>. Fans of the East or West Coast volleyed in the comments. New York was accused of being frivolous, blustery, and “startup suicide.” California was called out for being a monoculture.</p>
<p>Over the last few years, the rhetoric in Silicon Alley has started to sound like a <em>Bring It On</em> sequel. The rhetoric is dominated by two themes: boostery New York exceptionalism—in September 2009, the high-profile investor Fred Wilson gave a talk called “<a href="http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2009/10/the-what-makes-nycs-web-startup-scene-special-talk.html">NYC’s Startup Scene: What makes it special?</a>”—and the David and Goliath narrative, with Silicon Valley as the reigning champion versus New York as the cool, scrappy young challenger.</p>
<p>Even City Hall is on the squad. “My ultimate goal is reclaiming our title as the world capital of technological innovation,” Mayor Michael Bloomberg said back in July. When a columnist for the <em>San Jose Mercury News</em> called to say he was “<a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_19565306?source=rss">planning a column on the budding rivalry between our two regions</a>,” the receptionist answered: “What rivalry? We’re winning!”</p>
<p>Rachel Sterne, whose <a href="http://www.observer.com/2011/media/nyc-hires-first-chief-digital-officer">appointment</a> as the city’s first “chief digital officer” last year immediately started trending on Twitter within New York, is probably New York’s head tech cheerleader, trumpeting startup minutiae to her <a href="http://twitter.com/rachelsterne">29,490 followers</a>.</p>
<p>Given that the three-year-old debate really hasn’t changed much, some feel it’s time to stop the pep rally and get to the game.</p>
<p>“The West Coast can claim it won round one of whatever ridiculous battle this is all about, but it really depends on when you start the ‘fight,’” said Aaron Price, an entrepreneur in residence at DFJ Gotham Ventures and founder of the <a href="http://www.meetup.com/njtech/">New Jersey Tech Meetup</a>. “Do they want talk pharmaceutical or telephony? I didn’t think so. It’s all pointless and self-serving. Let’s just all get back to work and build awesome companies that can have offices employing people all throughout the country and the globe.”</p>
<p>In May, the Brooklyn-based tech blogger Courtney Boyd Myers wrote a blog post for The Next Web called “<a href="http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/05/29/why-new-york-citys-tech-scene-is-thriving/">Why New York City’s Tech Scene is Thriving</a>.” It was very well-received. “Should Rachel Sterne stop talking about how New York City is ready to be the social media and technology center of the world? Absolutely not,” she wrote in an email. “That would be like forcing a father to stop telling his daughter she’s brilliant, beautiful and capable of saving the world.”</p>
<p>But, she acknowledged, “We need to stop comparing ourselves to Silicon Valley. We should be celebrating our differences and figuring out innovative ways to collaborate, not fighting for VC money or attention in the press. It is the World Wide Web after all.”</p>
<p>Rachel Sklar, a Canadian lawyer-turned-tech and media consultant and founder of <a href="http://changetheratio.tumblr.com">Change the Ratio</a>, got into the tech scene around the time the cheerleading started really ramping up. Since then, she’s become adept at baton twirling for New York tech. She’s done publicity for several New York startups, formally and informally. Last year, when many New Yorkers traveled to the South by Southwest Interactive tradeshow for the first time, Ms. Sklar managed a Twitter account called <a href="http://twitter.com/nyxsw">@NYxSW</a>. (Sample <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/NYxSW/status/49193080003371008">tweet</a>: “Congrats on an awesome SXSW, folks! Tweet at us and tell us how you crushed it, so we can RT and give you your due. #NYCrushingIt.”) Recently, Ms. Sklar roped in dozens of local founders, engineers and investors to lipsync lyrics about New York tech—<em>New York underdogs / We can make it here, make it here</em>—in a <a href="http://raisecache.com/video/">music video</a> played at a benefit for HackNY, a nonprofit initiative that pits New York tech against another behemoth, Wall Street. “<a href="http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-21/tech/30424487_1_cache-founders-cash">Every NY Tech Person And Their Dog Made A Cameo In This Music Video</a>,” wrote Business Insider blogger Allyson Shontell, who also appeared in the video.</p>
<p>Most of the cheerleading and nyah-nyahs plays out in blog fights, however.</p>
<p>“I feel like the Valley started it,” said Ms. Sklar, who said she doesn’t “have a dog in this fight” despite her efforts to market New York tech. “I remember reading some long ranty article.”</p>
<p>Was it “<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/face-it-nyc-is-not-the-best-place-for-a-startup-2010-2">Face It: NYC Is Not The Best Place For A Startup</a>,” authored by former New Yorker Matt Mireles in February 2010?</p>
<p>“It wasn’t Matt Mireles,” she said. She’s had other blog fights with Mr. Mireles. “It was this guy, Antonio something. It was obnoxious.”</p>
<p>That blog post was titled, “<a href="http://adgrok.com/new-york-will-always-be-a-tech-backwater-i-dont-care-what-chris-dixon-or-ron-conway-or-paul-graham-say/">New York will always be a tech backwater, I don’t care what Chris Dixon or Ron Conway or Paul Graham say</a>.” It was written in August 2010 by Antonio Garcia-Martinez, the founder of a startup that was later acquired by Twitter, and it ended with a challenge: “I promise to wear one of those ridiculous ‘I NY’ shirts you buy for $3 from the Nigerians in Times Square for an entire month if the total amount of New York–based startup funding, as reported in Crunchbase, exceeds that of Bay Area-based startups in any financial quarter during the next five years.”</p>
<p>He concluded, “So…bring it, New York. ‘Cause I say the hippies from California will continue to eat your lox.”<!--nextpage--></p>
<p>Perhaps that jeering bet is what’s kept the bicoastal battle alive even after the city <a href="http://www.cbinsights.com/blog/venture-capital/tech-venture-capital-new-york-boston">surpassed Boston</a> in venture capital invested in Internet companies in 2011. New York now has a stable of plausibly successful companies, including Foursquare, Etsy and Tumblr; and with both a Facebook engineering headquarters and the Cornell-Technion tech campus on the way, one would be hard-pressed to deny the city its tech cred. California dreamer Paul Graham, who finds New York intolerable, especially when the humidity causes sweat to bead above his upper lip, encourages the startups at his incubator, Y Combinator, to stay in the Bay Area. But even Mr. Graham acknowledged on a recent visit that “<a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/12/30/14-terrifically-scientific-signs-that-this-was-year-for-new-york-tech/#slide1">New York is definitely now solidly in the No. 2 spot</a>.” By this and many metrics, the city seems to have arrived. So why the persistent Valley-baiting?</p>
<p>Kirill Sheynkman, a former Silicon Valley resident who <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/30/meet-kirill-sheynkman-the-ny-vc-managing-750-m-for-russias-second-biggest-investor/">heads up the New York branch of RTP Ventures</a>, a <del>$750</del> $700 million fund based in Russia, likes to compare the New York tech scene to a football player stammering through a history report and then blurting out, “San Dimas High School football rules!” in a panic, a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b6Ff9Qm2FU">scene</a> from <em>Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.</em></p>
<p><em> </em>“There’s a lot of talk about Silicon Valley in New York City, a lot of comparison. I think it’s the underdog syndrome,” Mr. Sheynkmann said, though he added that the “star quality” of New York startups, which tend to be highly visible and impeccably-branded, might have something to do with the messaging.</p>
<p>“I don’t see a need to compete,” he said. “The two cities are different! They focus on different areas of tech. Tech is vast. It’s like science. Science is a broad concept.”</p>
<p>New York talks about itself for two reasons, he said. First: it’s in the city’s nature. Second: there is pressure to tell a compelling story in order to attract talent and capital.</p>
<p>Still, as much as New York tech loves itself, some are wary of talking too much talk.</p>
<p>“I just think it’s a little bit of a wasted effort,” said Kyle Bragger, who recently returned from a session at Mountain View's 500 Startups for his startup <a href="http://Forrst.com">Forrst</a>. “Is it really productive to have yet another blog post debate about the latest ‘New York is better or worse than other city,’ or ‘City A is better or worse than City B’?”</p>
<p>Maybe the persistent marketing served a purpose when New York was getting on its feet. But at this point the local tech scene is at least toddling, if not walking. “We call it the flywheel effect,” said Lucas Nelson, an associate at DFJ Gotham Ventures. “Is the flywheel going? Can it sustain itself, or do you still need to put energy in it?”</p>
<p>New York needs big exits and role models more than it needs savvy marketing, he said. “I think the underdog thing is getting pretty old pretty quickly,” he said. “I don’t want to dissuade anyone who is cheerleading in New York. But in the end, no amount of cheerleading will take the place of smart, experienced angels, or smart experienced anything.”</p>
<p>Others pointed out that the marketing for New York tech tends to get competitive mostly because talent and capital are scarce. “We need to keep investing in the ecosystem and evangelizing what is going on here,” Mr. Wilson wrote in an email. “Students still leave the CS programs at Columbia, Princeton, and NYU and go to Silicon Valley. That means we still need to market NYC.”</p>
<p>A survey of local tech professionals suggested that the boosterism is likely to continue. “NY tech talking NY tech is fine,” Alex Taub, head of business development at Aviary, said in an email. “I don’t think it’s an insecurity thing—I think it’s just topical because NY tech is really thriving. Real businesses are being built and scaling here.”</p>
<p>New York may not be insecure, but there seems to be plenty of demand for self-validation. Two entrepreneurs have organized <a href="https://nytechday.com/">New York Tech Day</a>, a “science fair for startups” to “celebrate New York’s awesome startup ecosystem” in April. More concretely, it’s going to be a <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/02/09/ny-tech-day-to-cement-citys-tradition-of-massive-tech-events/">gigantic one-day expo</a> at the block-sized Lexington Ave. Armory, with 200 startup booths, more sponsor and vendor booths, and a few thousand attendees rotating through.</p>
<p>It will followed by an awards show.</p>
<p><em>A version of this story appeared in the </em>New York Observer<em> the week of February 20, 2012.</em></p>
<p><em>CORRECTION: </em>An earlier version of this story said Rachel Sklar moved to New York two years ago; that is incorrect. She has been in the city for 13 years. Betabeat regrets the error.</p>
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<p><div id="attachment_29754" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><img class="size-full wp-image-29754" style="margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px; margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="wpid-IMAG0730-1.jpg" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/wpid-imag0730-1.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="299" /><p class="wp-caption-text">We! Are! New York Tech! (And so are you!)</p></div></p>
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<p>On a recent Wednesday evening, all the red plush seats in the large, two-tiered auditorium at NYU’s Skirball Center were filled, as they usually are for the monthly assembly of the New York Tech Meetup, the largest organization of Internet professionals in the city. But the twittering audience members were about to hear some bad news they probably already knew: New York is No. 2.</p>
<p>Scott Heiferman, the sandy-haired founder <a href="http://www.observer.com/2011/media/freebies-skirball-pride-and-scott-heiferman-breaks-another-ipad-what-you-missed-nytm">known to smash iPads on stage</a> for dramatic effect, <a href="http://nytm.org/2012/02/10/video-of-february-8-nytm-and-transcript-of-speech-by-andrew-rasiej/">flipped through slides</a> ranking cities around the world by their tech meetup ecosystems. Chicago was No. 5; Washington, D.C. was No. 4, and London was No. 3. He reached a screen labeled TOP TWO TECH TOWNS, and he stopped. “So the Bay Area and New York,” he said mischievously, as the techies giggled and agitated in their seats. “Let’s get into this right now. Leeeeet’s take a look at this.”</p>
<p>The next slide showed two lines, red and blue, zig-zagging in tandem—but Silicon Valley was consistently a cut above. “Isn’t it crazy that we have been neck and neck with the Bay Area for month after month after month?” Mr. Heiferman asked the audience. “I think that has to change. And I think we need to let a little aggression out. Does anyone have an iPad?”<br />
Nobody did—or rather, nobody offered to hand one over. But it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine Mr. Heiferman sledgehammering a tablet from the Cupertino-based company to make his point.</p>
<p>The rivalry between the coastal tech hubs is not entirely friendly. “<a href="http://cdixon.org/2010/02/01/the-nyc-tech-scene-is-exploding/">The NYC tech scene is exploding</a>,” investor and entrepreneur Chris Dixon wrote in February 2010, an early instance of the now-common trope of pairing the words “New York City tech” with the word “exploding” (alternatively, “blowing up”; also “killing it,” “crushing it”). “Am I the only person in NYC rolling their eyes at this continual barrage of ‘IN NYC IT RAINS MANNA FROM THE SKY!’?” one commenter <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1093976">wrote</a>. Fans of the East or West Coast volleyed in the comments. New York was accused of being frivolous, blustery, and “startup suicide.” California was called out for being a monoculture.</p>
<p>Over the last few years, the rhetoric in Silicon Alley has started to sound like a <em>Bring It On</em> sequel. The rhetoric is dominated by two themes: boostery New York exceptionalism—in September 2009, the high-profile investor Fred Wilson gave a talk called “<a href="http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2009/10/the-what-makes-nycs-web-startup-scene-special-talk.html">NYC’s Startup Scene: What makes it special?</a>”—and the David and Goliath narrative, with Silicon Valley as the reigning champion versus New York as the cool, scrappy young challenger.</p>
<p>Even City Hall is on the squad. “My ultimate goal is reclaiming our title as the world capital of technological innovation,” Mayor Michael Bloomberg said back in July. When a columnist for the <em>San Jose Mercury News</em> called to say he was “<a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_19565306?source=rss">planning a column on the budding rivalry between our two regions</a>,” the receptionist answered: “What rivalry? We’re winning!”</p>
<p>Rachel Sterne, whose <a href="http://www.observer.com/2011/media/nyc-hires-first-chief-digital-officer">appointment</a> as the city’s first “chief digital officer” last year immediately started trending on Twitter within New York, is probably New York’s head tech cheerleader, trumpeting startup minutiae to her <a href="http://twitter.com/rachelsterne">29,490 followers</a>.</p>
<p>Given that the three-year-old debate really hasn’t changed much, some feel it’s time to stop the pep rally and get to the game.</p>
<p>“The West Coast can claim it won round one of whatever ridiculous battle this is all about, but it really depends on when you start the ‘fight,’” said Aaron Price, an entrepreneur in residence at DFJ Gotham Ventures and founder of the <a href="http://www.meetup.com/njtech/">New Jersey Tech Meetup</a>. “Do they want talk pharmaceutical or telephony? I didn’t think so. It’s all pointless and self-serving. Let’s just all get back to work and build awesome companies that can have offices employing people all throughout the country and the globe.”</p>
<p>In May, the Brooklyn-based tech blogger Courtney Boyd Myers wrote a blog post for The Next Web called “<a href="http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/05/29/why-new-york-citys-tech-scene-is-thriving/">Why New York City’s Tech Scene is Thriving</a>.” It was very well-received. “Should Rachel Sterne stop talking about how New York City is ready to be the social media and technology center of the world? Absolutely not,” she wrote in an email. “That would be like forcing a father to stop telling his daughter she’s brilliant, beautiful and capable of saving the world.”</p>
<p>But, she acknowledged, “We need to stop comparing ourselves to Silicon Valley. We should be celebrating our differences and figuring out innovative ways to collaborate, not fighting for VC money or attention in the press. It is the World Wide Web after all.”</p>
<p>Rachel Sklar, a Canadian lawyer-turned-tech and media consultant and founder of <a href="http://changetheratio.tumblr.com">Change the Ratio</a>, got into the tech scene around the time the cheerleading started really ramping up. Since then, she’s become adept at baton twirling for New York tech. She’s done publicity for several New York startups, formally and informally. Last year, when many New Yorkers traveled to the South by Southwest Interactive tradeshow for the first time, Ms. Sklar managed a Twitter account called <a href="http://twitter.com/nyxsw">@NYxSW</a>. (Sample <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/NYxSW/status/49193080003371008">tweet</a>: “Congrats on an awesome SXSW, folks! Tweet at us and tell us how you crushed it, so we can RT and give you your due. #NYCrushingIt.”) Recently, Ms. Sklar roped in dozens of local founders, engineers and investors to lipsync lyrics about New York tech—<em>New York underdogs / We can make it here, make it here</em>—in a <a href="http://raisecache.com/video/">music video</a> played at a benefit for HackNY, a nonprofit initiative that pits New York tech against another behemoth, Wall Street. “<a href="http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-21/tech/30424487_1_cache-founders-cash">Every NY Tech Person And Their Dog Made A Cameo In This Music Video</a>,” wrote Business Insider blogger Allyson Shontell, who also appeared in the video.</p>
<p>Most of the cheerleading and nyah-nyahs plays out in blog fights, however.</p>
<p>“I feel like the Valley started it,” said Ms. Sklar, who said she doesn’t “have a dog in this fight” despite her efforts to market New York tech. “I remember reading some long ranty article.”</p>
<p>Was it “<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/face-it-nyc-is-not-the-best-place-for-a-startup-2010-2">Face It: NYC Is Not The Best Place For A Startup</a>,” authored by former New Yorker Matt Mireles in February 2010?</p>
<p>“It wasn’t Matt Mireles,” she said. She’s had other blog fights with Mr. Mireles. “It was this guy, Antonio something. It was obnoxious.”</p>
<p>That blog post was titled, “<a href="http://adgrok.com/new-york-will-always-be-a-tech-backwater-i-dont-care-what-chris-dixon-or-ron-conway-or-paul-graham-say/">New York will always be a tech backwater, I don’t care what Chris Dixon or Ron Conway or Paul Graham say</a>.” It was written in August 2010 by Antonio Garcia-Martinez, the founder of a startup that was later acquired by Twitter, and it ended with a challenge: “I promise to wear one of those ridiculous ‘I NY’ shirts you buy for $3 from the Nigerians in Times Square for an entire month if the total amount of New York–based startup funding, as reported in Crunchbase, exceeds that of Bay Area-based startups in any financial quarter during the next five years.”</p>
<p>He concluded, “So…bring it, New York. ‘Cause I say the hippies from California will continue to eat your lox.”<!--nextpage--></p>
<p>Perhaps that jeering bet is what’s kept the bicoastal battle alive even after the city <a href="http://www.cbinsights.com/blog/venture-capital/tech-venture-capital-new-york-boston">surpassed Boston</a> in venture capital invested in Internet companies in 2011. New York now has a stable of plausibly successful companies, including Foursquare, Etsy and Tumblr; and with both a Facebook engineering headquarters and the Cornell-Technion tech campus on the way, one would be hard-pressed to deny the city its tech cred. California dreamer Paul Graham, who finds New York intolerable, especially when the humidity causes sweat to bead above his upper lip, encourages the startups at his incubator, Y Combinator, to stay in the Bay Area. But even Mr. Graham acknowledged on a recent visit that “<a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/12/30/14-terrifically-scientific-signs-that-this-was-year-for-new-york-tech/#slide1">New York is definitely now solidly in the No. 2 spot</a>.” By this and many metrics, the city seems to have arrived. So why the persistent Valley-baiting?</p>
<p>Kirill Sheynkman, a former Silicon Valley resident who <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/09/30/meet-kirill-sheynkman-the-ny-vc-managing-750-m-for-russias-second-biggest-investor/">heads up the New York branch of RTP Ventures</a>, a <del>$750</del> $700 million fund based in Russia, likes to compare the New York tech scene to a football player stammering through a history report and then blurting out, “San Dimas High School football rules!” in a panic, a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b6Ff9Qm2FU">scene</a> from <em>Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.</em></p>
<p><em> </em>“There’s a lot of talk about Silicon Valley in New York City, a lot of comparison. I think it’s the underdog syndrome,” Mr. Sheynkmann said, though he added that the “star quality” of New York startups, which tend to be highly visible and impeccably-branded, might have something to do with the messaging.</p>
<p>“I don’t see a need to compete,” he said. “The two cities are different! They focus on different areas of tech. Tech is vast. It’s like science. Science is a broad concept.”</p>
<p>New York talks about itself for two reasons, he said. First: it’s in the city’s nature. Second: there is pressure to tell a compelling story in order to attract talent and capital.</p>
<p>Still, as much as New York tech loves itself, some are wary of talking too much talk.</p>
<p>“I just think it’s a little bit of a wasted effort,” said Kyle Bragger, who recently returned from a session at Mountain View's 500 Startups for his startup <a href="http://Forrst.com">Forrst</a>. “Is it really productive to have yet another blog post debate about the latest ‘New York is better or worse than other city,’ or ‘City A is better or worse than City B’?”</p>
<p>Maybe the persistent marketing served a purpose when New York was getting on its feet. But at this point the local tech scene is at least toddling, if not walking. “We call it the flywheel effect,” said Lucas Nelson, an associate at DFJ Gotham Ventures. “Is the flywheel going? Can it sustain itself, or do you still need to put energy in it?”</p>
<p>New York needs big exits and role models more than it needs savvy marketing, he said. “I think the underdog thing is getting pretty old pretty quickly,” he said. “I don’t want to dissuade anyone who is cheerleading in New York. But in the end, no amount of cheerleading will take the place of smart, experienced angels, or smart experienced anything.”</p>
<p>Others pointed out that the marketing for New York tech tends to get competitive mostly because talent and capital are scarce. “We need to keep investing in the ecosystem and evangelizing what is going on here,” Mr. Wilson wrote in an email. “Students still leave the CS programs at Columbia, Princeton, and NYU and go to Silicon Valley. That means we still need to market NYC.”</p>
<p>A survey of local tech professionals suggested that the boosterism is likely to continue. “NY tech talking NY tech is fine,” Alex Taub, head of business development at Aviary, said in an email. “I don’t think it’s an insecurity thing—I think it’s just topical because NY tech is really thriving. Real businesses are being built and scaling here.”</p>
<p>New York may not be insecure, but there seems to be plenty of demand for self-validation. Two entrepreneurs have organized <a href="https://nytechday.com/">New York Tech Day</a>, a “science fair for startups” to “celebrate New York’s awesome startup ecosystem” in April. More concretely, it’s going to be a <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2012/02/09/ny-tech-day-to-cement-citys-tradition-of-massive-tech-events/">gigantic one-day expo</a> at the block-sized Lexington Ave. Armory, with 200 startup booths, more sponsor and vendor booths, and a few thousand attendees rotating through.</p>
<p>It will followed by an awards show.</p>
<p><em>A version of this story appeared in the </em>New York Observer<em> the week of February 20, 2012.</em></p>
<p><em>CORRECTION: </em>An earlier version of this story said Rachel Sklar moved to New York two years ago; that is incorrect. She has been in the city for 13 years. Betabeat regrets the error.</p>
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		<title>Big Data Funding Gets Bigger: IA Ventures Raised $105 M, Double Its Previous Fund</title>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:24 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>IA Ventures, the New York City-based firm with a big data fetish, just announced that it raised $105 million towards a second fund. That's more than double the $50 million seed fund IA Ventures founder Roger Ehrenberg raises in 2010.</p>
<p>With this new fund, Mr. Ehrenberg told <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/08/ia-ventures-105m-fund/">TechCrunch</a>, IA Ventures will be able lead seed rounds as well as series A and B rounds and follow a company through its growth. Previously, IA gravitated towards pre-revenue companies “between a Powerpoint and a prototype.” Those companies, says TechCrunch, require more "hands-on work," and with Fund II, IA Ventures will be able to diversify its portfolio into both seed-stage and later-stage companies.</p>
<p>TechCrunch's post on the new fund set off a chain of negative responses on Twitter, unrelated to IA Ventures, but rather to do with a theory Erick Schonfeld slipped into the piece about the difference between East Coast and West Coast investors below.</p>
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<blockquote><p>In fact, there seems to be a divide between East Coast and West Coast  superangels. “There is a huge ideological argument right now at play,”  says Ehrenberg. Investors like Ron Conway, Dave McClure, and even  Clavier make a lot of small bets—60, 100, or more per fund—hoping a few  of them will pay off massively. They know that somewhere in their  portfolios could be the next Google or Facebook. The East Coast seed  investors are a little bit more cautious (they would say “disciplined”).   Ehrenberg models IA Ventures more like a small Union Square Ventures  or Foundry Capital—a more concentrated portfolio where the investors use  their contacts or domain expertise to help take some of the risk out of  the companies.</p>
<p>“The optimal point on the risk-return frontier,” says Ehrenberg, “is  putting small amounts early, being close, and being in a position to put  in more money when there is an opportunity to de-risk as opposed to  holding a portfolio of lottery tickets and hoping that one of those  lottery tickets looks like Google or Facebook.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The idea that East Coast investors were risk-averse in particular, did not sit well with some, including <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/infoarbitrage/status/167299724003655680">Mr. Ehrenberg</a> and IA Ventures's <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/bsiscovick/status/167311092358451200">Ben Siscovick</a>:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-28874" title="dixon2" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dixon2.png" alt="" width="600" height="284" /></p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-28873" title="dixon1" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dixon1.png" alt="" width="600" height="223" /></p>
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<p>The contradiction Mr. Dixon seems to be getting at is the idea that small, pre-revenue investments supported by a hands-on approach are at odds with the idea of getting in on the ground floor with the next Google when it still looks like a long shot.</p>
<p>Reached by email, Mr. Dixon said, "Just look at the investments by Betaworks, Founder Collective, Highline, Thrive, Lerer, etc. Some examples companies: Tumblr, Tweetdeck, Pinterest, Uber, Fab, Artsy, Birchbox, Warby Parker, Makerbot, Buzzfeed, etc. It is a long list of great tech companies. In almost all cases these firms invested in the first financing round."</p>
<p>Sorry, Schonfeld, Conway vs. Ehrenberg is no Biggie vs. Tupac.</p>
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<p>IA Ventures, the New York City-based firm with a big data fetish, just announced that it raised $105 million towards a second fund. That's more than double the $50 million seed fund IA Ventures founder Roger Ehrenberg raises in 2010.</p>
<p>With this new fund, Mr. Ehrenberg told <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/08/ia-ventures-105m-fund/">TechCrunch</a>, IA Ventures will be able lead seed rounds as well as series A and B rounds and follow a company through its growth. Previously, IA gravitated towards pre-revenue companies “between a Powerpoint and a prototype.” Those companies, says TechCrunch, require more "hands-on work," and with Fund II, IA Ventures will be able to diversify its portfolio into both seed-stage and later-stage companies.</p>
<p>TechCrunch's post on the new fund set off a chain of negative responses on Twitter, unrelated to IA Ventures, but rather to do with a theory Erick Schonfeld slipped into the piece about the difference between East Coast and West Coast investors below.</p>
<p><!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, there seems to be a divide between East Coast and West Coast  superangels. “There is a huge ideological argument right now at play,”  says Ehrenberg. Investors like Ron Conway, Dave McClure, and even  Clavier make a lot of small bets—60, 100, or more per fund—hoping a few  of them will pay off massively. They know that somewhere in their  portfolios could be the next Google or Facebook. The East Coast seed  investors are a little bit more cautious (they would say “disciplined”).   Ehrenberg models IA Ventures more like a small Union Square Ventures  or Foundry Capital—a more concentrated portfolio where the investors use  their contacts or domain expertise to help take some of the risk out of  the companies.</p>
<p>“The optimal point on the risk-return frontier,” says Ehrenberg, “is  putting small amounts early, being close, and being in a position to put  in more money when there is an opportunity to de-risk as opposed to  holding a portfolio of lottery tickets and hoping that one of those  lottery tickets looks like Google or Facebook.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The idea that East Coast investors were risk-averse in particular, did not sit well with some, including <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/infoarbitrage/status/167299724003655680">Mr. Ehrenberg</a> and IA Ventures's <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/bsiscovick/status/167311092358451200">Ben Siscovick</a>:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-28874" title="dixon2" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dixon2.png" alt="" width="600" height="284" /></p>
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<p>The contradiction Mr. Dixon seems to be getting at is the idea that small, pre-revenue investments supported by a hands-on approach are at odds with the idea of getting in on the ground floor with the next Google when it still looks like a long shot.</p>
<p>Reached by email, Mr. Dixon said, "Just look at the investments by Betaworks, Founder Collective, Highline, Thrive, Lerer, etc. Some examples companies: Tumblr, Tweetdeck, Pinterest, Uber, Fab, Artsy, Birchbox, Warby Parker, Makerbot, Buzzfeed, etc. It is a long list of great tech companies. In almost all cases these firms invested in the first financing round."</p>
<p>Sorry, Schonfeld, Conway vs. Ehrenberg is no Biggie vs. Tupac.</p>
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		<title>Breaking: Guy Works from Home, Cooks Himself Breakfast (Or &#8220;A Response to Chris Dixon on Startups and Journalism&#8221;)</title>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:54:01 -0400</pubDate>
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			<dc:creator>Foster Kamer</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_25973" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-25973" title="Startup Guy Cooks Startup Breakfast" src="http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/startup-guy-cooks-startup-breakfast.jpg?w=300&h=200" alt="" width="300" height="200" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Via Business Insider.</p></div></p>
<p>Maybe you've heard of (Harlem) startup PolicyMic, the startup most famous for:</p>
<p>- Having a former Goldman Sachs trader who quit his job venture into StartupLand,<br />
- Being a fancy politics forum where the ability to speak is doled out in a currency of "Mics,"<br />
- Having contributors like Condoleezza Rice, and especially,<br />
- Being based out of Harlem. <em>Harlem!</em> How utterly progressive/gentrification-forward!</p>
<p>Well, Business Insider has finally cracked the largest story on (Harlem) startup PolicyMic basically ever. Are you ready?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?op=1" target="_blank">Boom</a>:<!--more--></p>
<ul>
<li>They <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#jake-wakes-up-before-6-am-to-get-a-jump-on-the-days-news-and-start-publishing-articles-he-scans-about-35-blogs-including-realclearpolitics-informed-comment-the-atlantic-and-buzzfeed-and-publishes-10-stories-submitted-by-our-writers-overnight-1" target="_blank">wake up</a>.</li>
<li>They cook <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#our-three-founders-live-together-on-the-other-two-floors-of-the-brownstone-but-weve-had-over-25-different-policymic-visitors-from-all-over-sleeping-on-the-couch-during-their-trips-to-new-york-im-cooking-breakfast-here-which-routinely-feeds-4-6-2" target="_blank">breakfast</a>.</li>
<li>They <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#the-daily-commute-is-pretty-easy-when-you-live-and-work-in-the-same-place-3" target="_blank"><em>work from home</em>.</a></li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;<br />
Besides the obvious line of inquiry along the lines of</p>
<p>"<em>How does this differentiate these people from anybody else in the universe?</em>"</p>
<p>And the subsequent follow-up of</p>
<p>"<em>Why are we calling the company of a guy who lives in Harlem and works from home a 'Harlem'-based startup?</em>"</p>
<p>And the finisher:</p>
<p>"<em>Why does anybody even remotely care about where a startup is based unless you're a blogger biting on a particularly petty and stupid press line?</em>"</p>
<p>There's also the post-mortem of:</p>
<p>"<em>Is this really what people reading startup coverage want to read about, and why?</em>"</p>
<p>You won't find the answer here. Truly. These aren't rhetorical questions. We're genuinely curious.</p>
<p>There's an argument to made for telling the human story of startups; fair enough. But there's also an argument to be made against the kind of tech coverage that feeds into the narcissism and press lines which, at best, results in favor-trading for scooplets that are essentially press releases said line-toer gets before anyone else, and at worse, simply shills sans-skepticism for an industry that could use some more.</p>
<p>Chris Dixon recently kvetched to Twitter that "<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/cdixon/status/154339404494815232" target="_blank">people who've never started companies (e.g. certain journalists) or have no business criticizing startups</a>."</p>
<p>This logic, as a reminder, works like this:</p>
<p><em>People who have never __________ed (e.g. certain [FILL IN ANY CONSTITUENCY SKEPTICAL OF _________]) have no business criticizing _________s.</em></p>
<p>It could be applied in a number of ways. This is fun! Try it. For example:</p>
<ul>
<li>"People who have never written public policy (e.g. welfare recipients) have no business criticizing public policy."</li>
<li>"People who have never worked for an investment bank (e.g. SEC regulators)  have no business criticizing investment banks."</li>
<li>"People who have never worked for McDonald's (e.g. nutrionists) have no business criticizing McDonald's."</li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;<br />
Sorry, but new ventures started by bright, young, hardworking ambitious people deserve to be approached with the same amount of skepticism as multinational corporations. Their stories, accomplishments, and failures deserve to be told in the same way. Reminder: Journalism as the fourth estate is a check on powers both private and public, and if you think it's not important that we not understand the humble and not-so-powerful beginnings of anything—let alone startups—think again. All the companies on <a href="http://www.standardandpoors.com/indices/sp-500/en/us/?indexId=spusa-500-usduf--p-us-l--" target="_blank">the S &amp; P 500</a> started out as small, bootstrapped businesses at one time or another, too. Including Google, who knows everything about you. Don't you want to know everything about them? To be fair, Mr. Dixon clarified that he's <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/cdixon/status/154342360581550080" target="_blank">especially conspiratorial</a> about journalists who work for companies with competing interests, but what multinational corporation with a news branch has a direct competing interest against a tech startup? (Sure, maybe <a title="To Oblivion and Beyond. Wait No, Just Oblivion. $87 M. News Corp. Backed Startup Shuts Down Before Launch" href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/12/31/to-oblivion-and-beyond-wait-no-just-oblivion-87-m-news-corp-backed-startup-shuts-down-before-launch/">News Corp., but all their startups seem to flop</a>.)</p>
<p>That said, if you want to see the results of journalists who have never worked at startups who <em>don't</em> criticize startups, all you need to do is click over to Business Insider and watch some revolutionary "Harlem" startup wake up, cook themselves breakfast, and score some friendly press. They <em>live</em> in Harlem. That's not even an office. It's just some guy's fucking apartment.</p>
<p>[<em>N.B. Because Joe Weisenthal of Business Insider—a four year-old company—is <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/TheStalwart/status/155013674686357504">upset</a> about my generalization of Business Insider, to be clear, (A) it was more in regards to journalists skeptical of tech startups and not media startups, and (B) we've <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/11/01/groupon-off-the-juiciest-bits-from-business-insiders-massive-groupon-story/">praised other pieces</a> of their work before, and singled out Mr. Weisenthal's work <a href="http://www.observer.com/2011/09/2011s-media-poachables-the-25-editors-and-staffers-to-steal-for-your-masthead/#slide16">in particular</a>. He's also, for the record, not the writer who put together a slideshow about a guy cooking breakfast. So there's that.</em>]</p>
<p><em>fkamer@observer.com</em> | <a href="http://twitter.com/weareyourfek" target="_blank">@weareyourfek</a></p>
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<p>Maybe you've heard of (Harlem) startup PolicyMic, the startup most famous for:</p>
<p>- Having a former Goldman Sachs trader who quit his job venture into StartupLand,<br />
- Being a fancy politics forum where the ability to speak is doled out in a currency of "Mics,"<br />
- Having contributors like Condoleezza Rice, and especially,<br />
- Being based out of Harlem. <em>Harlem!</em> How utterly progressive/gentrification-forward!</p>
<p>Well, Business Insider has finally cracked the largest story on (Harlem) startup PolicyMic basically ever. Are you ready?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?op=1" target="_blank">Boom</a>:<!--more--></p>
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<li>They <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#jake-wakes-up-before-6-am-to-get-a-jump-on-the-days-news-and-start-publishing-articles-he-scans-about-35-blogs-including-realclearpolitics-informed-comment-the-atlantic-and-buzzfeed-and-publishes-10-stories-submitted-by-our-writers-overnight-1" target="_blank">wake up</a>.</li>
<li>They cook <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#our-three-founders-live-together-on-the-other-two-floors-of-the-brownstone-but-weve-had-over-25-different-policymic-visitors-from-all-over-sleeping-on-the-couch-during-their-trips-to-new-york-im-cooking-breakfast-here-which-routinely-feeds-4-6-2" target="_blank">breakfast</a>.</li>
<li>They <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-altchek-policy-mic-day-in-the-life-2012-1?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#the-daily-commute-is-pretty-easy-when-you-live-and-work-in-the-same-place-3" target="_blank"><em>work from home</em>.</a></li>
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<p>&nbsp;<br />
Besides the obvious line of inquiry along the lines of</p>
<p>"<em>How does this differentiate these people from anybody else in the universe?</em>"</p>
<p>And the subsequent follow-up of</p>
<p>"<em>Why are we calling the company of a guy who lives in Harlem and works from home a 'Harlem'-based startup?</em>"</p>
<p>And the finisher:</p>
<p>"<em>Why does anybody even remotely care about where a startup is based unless you're a blogger biting on a particularly petty and stupid press line?</em>"</p>
<p>There's also the post-mortem of:</p>
<p>"<em>Is this really what people reading startup coverage want to read about, and why?</em>"</p>
<p>You won't find the answer here. Truly. These aren't rhetorical questions. We're genuinely curious.</p>
<p>There's an argument to made for telling the human story of startups; fair enough. But there's also an argument to be made against the kind of tech coverage that feeds into the narcissism and press lines which, at best, results in favor-trading for scooplets that are essentially press releases said line-toer gets before anyone else, and at worse, simply shills sans-skepticism for an industry that could use some more.</p>
<p>Chris Dixon recently kvetched to Twitter that "<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/cdixon/status/154339404494815232" target="_blank">people who've never started companies (e.g. certain journalists) or have no business criticizing startups</a>."</p>
<p>This logic, as a reminder, works like this:</p>
<p><em>People who have never __________ed (e.g. certain [FILL IN ANY CONSTITUENCY SKEPTICAL OF _________]) have no business criticizing _________s.</em></p>
<p>It could be applied in a number of ways. This is fun! Try it. For example:</p>
<ul>
<li>"People who have never written public policy (e.g. welfare recipients) have no business criticizing public policy."</li>
<li>"People who have never worked for an investment bank (e.g. SEC regulators)  have no business criticizing investment banks."</li>
<li>"People who have never worked for McDonald's (e.g. nutrionists) have no business criticizing McDonald's."</li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;<br />
Sorry, but new ventures started by bright, young, hardworking ambitious people deserve to be approached with the same amount of skepticism as multinational corporations. Their stories, accomplishments, and failures deserve to be told in the same way. Reminder: Journalism as the fourth estate is a check on powers both private and public, and if you think it's not important that we not understand the humble and not-so-powerful beginnings of anything—let alone startups—think again. All the companies on <a href="http://www.standardandpoors.com/indices/sp-500/en/us/?indexId=spusa-500-usduf--p-us-l--" target="_blank">the S &amp; P 500</a> started out as small, bootstrapped businesses at one time or another, too. Including Google, who knows everything about you. Don't you want to know everything about them? To be fair, Mr. Dixon clarified that he's <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/cdixon/status/154342360581550080" target="_blank">especially conspiratorial</a> about journalists who work for companies with competing interests, but what multinational corporation with a news branch has a direct competing interest against a tech startup? (Sure, maybe <a title="To Oblivion and Beyond. Wait No, Just Oblivion. $87 M. News Corp. Backed Startup Shuts Down Before Launch" href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/12/31/to-oblivion-and-beyond-wait-no-just-oblivion-87-m-news-corp-backed-startup-shuts-down-before-launch/">News Corp., but all their startups seem to flop</a>.)</p>
<p>That said, if you want to see the results of journalists who have never worked at startups who <em>don't</em> criticize startups, all you need to do is click over to Business Insider and watch some revolutionary "Harlem" startup wake up, cook themselves breakfast, and score some friendly press. They <em>live</em> in Harlem. That's not even an office. It's just some guy's fucking apartment.</p>
<p>[<em>N.B. Because Joe Weisenthal of Business Insider—a four year-old company—is <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/TheStalwart/status/155013674686357504">upset</a> about my generalization of Business Insider, to be clear, (A) it was more in regards to journalists skeptical of tech startups and not media startups, and (B) we've <a href="http://www.betabeat.com/2011/11/01/groupon-off-the-juiciest-bits-from-business-insiders-massive-groupon-story/">praised other pieces</a> of their work before, and singled out Mr. Weisenthal's work <a href="http://www.observer.com/2011/09/2011s-media-poachables-the-25-editors-and-staffers-to-steal-for-your-masthead/#slide16">in particular</a>. He's also, for the record, not the writer who put together a slideshow about a guy cooking breakfast. So there's that.</em>]</p>
<p><em>fkamer@observer.com</em> | <a href="http://twitter.com/weareyourfek" target="_blank">@weareyourfek</a></p>
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